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Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: As it looks like the boss's friend the berry is not long for this world
It looks like that *now*? I thought it happened a few years ago, and the topic since has been discussed to death.
iPhone, android, and windows phone are the major players.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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but which one? android? disliked as its too "open source" , apple as its Apple and Windows as its not got much market share?
from what I have read the Windows phone seems to come out best fit for "business" rather than personnel use
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The way I see it, there's no "one spot" right now. Unfortunately, blackberry was the only "smart phone" back then, and nearly everyone who needed one such thing had to buy it.
It's different today as you could get all kinds of smartphones (there's one with a 38MP camera being discussed about in a thread below).
It's safe to say that all these phones together have put the berry to sleep.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: but which one?
Ask the lady that sells the phones in the shop..
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: android? disliked as its too "open source" , apple as its Apple and Windows as its not got much market share?
"Too open source"? Really, would it improve if it included more proprietary bits??
"Too Apple"?? Really, do you dismiss a technical solution because you don't LIKE THE NAME of the company?
How much market-share does Windows have on the phone, and how much does it need to be before it's considered?
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as if the people in charge of spending thousands of quids will pop round to carphone wearhouse!
if you want secure business comunication do realy want every script jockey in the world full access to your OS code?
I didn't dismiss then on the name however the OS is more based to personel use and from I overhear from the techies are a nightmare in a business enviroment and apple support is as about as usefull as a windows help file, but they can help choosing which shoes go with your new playschool Iphone
Market share is always a consideration when Companies buy goods, do you think IBM is going to buy a cheap chinese android phone for its workforce even if it does everthing all the rest does?
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: as if the people in charge of spending thousands of quids will pop round to carphone wearhouse!
No, they usually ask "what's hot", without looking at specs. It's not as if the price matters.
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: if you want secure business comunication do realy want every script jockey in the world full access to your OS code?
YES!!!
Do you consider Windows to be more "secure" than Linux? The proprietary closed source software, compared to the source that anyone can verify? Peer reviewed by the world - you consider that "insecure"??
Explain me how any OS code that I cannot verify tends to be "more secure"?
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: I didn't dismiss then on the name however the OS is more based to personel use
Apple targets the consumer. Fortunately, employees in a company can be seen as consumers.
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: I overhear from the techies are a nightmare in a business enviroment
Compared to which competitor?
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: Market share is always a consideration when Companies buy goods
How did it work out for you to pick a blackberry based on marketshare? ..and how much market-share did IE have in the Netscape-days? 
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Quote:
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
as if the people in charge of spending thousands of quids will pop round to carphone wearhouse!
No, they usually ask "what's hot", without looking at specs. It's not as if the price matters.
so your company buys equipment basted on whats "hot" you must work in marketing, all the companies I have worked for always looked at spec and price before how trendy it was
Quote: Do you consider Windows to be more "secure" than Linux? The proprietary closed source software, compared to the source that anyone can verify? Peer reviewed by the world - you consider that "insecure"??
Explain me how any OS code that I cannot verify tends to be "more secure"?
just how business frendly was Linux when windows came out? do you think for a second that if you released windows into the market today without its history it would have a bad rep for security? and on the otherside of the same coin do you think if linux was the legacy desktop software it would not have been targeted by the hackers as window has?
if you publish the code it does tend to make it a lot easier to find those little paths though the security and if all business software used it it would become the target for all those script jockies, look at apple, always boasting it didnt have viruses but what happens when it get big market shar? suddenly they start appearing
an OS you cannot varify? you have inspected all the code in linux? I am impressed, while you where there there as a few hundred bugs that need fixing
Quote: Apple targets the consumer. Fortunately, employees in a company can be seen as consumers.
Apple target trendies not business users (unless your business is marketing or graphic design etc) if Apple were that good then windows wouldnt have the majority of business users, you ask the average network guy about running macs on a business network and stand back for fireworks
you condem windows why how do you explain that it still outsells Mac?
Quote: I overhear from the techies are a nightmare in a business enviroment
Compared to which competitor?
BB obviously, however both Windows AND Android are better regarded at least by our support guys
Quote: How did it work out for you to pick a blackberry based on marketshare? ..and how much market-share did IE have in the Netscape-days?
for business BB had (and I still has IIRC) the biggest Buisness market share, and IE had market penitration as it was already on your machine and IT dept tending to make sure everything worked with it rather than testing any other browser, netscape should have done what firefox did and force MS to stop bundling IE with the OS or least give the option of choice
the bottom line is that most employees do not get a choice it is a corporate decision on these and most other technical choices, and in most sizable companies it is a big chunk of cash that needs spending, in todays market that amount of cash is going to need some serious business case presenting and "its hot at the moment" is unlikely to cut it
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: so your company buys equipment basted on whats "hot" you must work in marketing
I'm a developer and would wish that people actually read specs.
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: you have inspected all the code in linux?
Read my comment again; it's peer-reviewed by the world. One can only guarantee security if one can actually verify what the app does. That's impossible with non-open source software.
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: you condem windows why how do you explain that it still outsells Mac?
I do not condemn Windows, I merely stated that it's less secure than Linux. I use it for gaming and surfing the web. *)
We could go on in this thread for quite some time 
--edit
*) Windows that is, not Linux.
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modified 9-Oct-13 14:11pm.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: windows phone
Windows phones? what are they ?
I'd rather be phishing!
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I dunno either, and I don't use one of those. But According to all of the 3 people discussing here[^], it's an important phone.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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Samsung GS4
I had never seen the need (or indeed had a need) for a smart phone until I got my grubby little protuberances on the GS3.
Now I cannot live without it.
All fully integrated so you can receive an email and use a date within that email to update the diary directly, linking to the contacts list to draft a message ready to be sent etc.
Plus all the usual phone stuff and connectivity, plus all the Samsungy gadgety bits, plus a screen large enough to read easily.
RIP Blackberry, your crown is taken.
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Dalek Dave wrote: plus all the Samsungy gadgety bits
I don't see them as a plus, but then, I never was a fan of pre-installed bloat- and crap-ware.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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nice but the business world has different requirements, ease of system maintenance, security, control etc, does android in its present form offer those? the techies here say no but then again they liked the stuff blackberry gave them
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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So when the BBM is integrated into the Android OS that will solve the secure messaging aspect.
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if it was just that then I would agree but android as yet hasnt the infrastructure (then again niether has Apple and to some degree Windows)
I guess it whether one of the above step up with a full BB like package or business decide that they cam make do with less
one proble is that BB have shown that the business market is not suffcient to maintain a business at this level
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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I'm going to disagree with you on this one. I've been playing with the Galaxy Note 3 for a couple of days - it's a wonderful piece of kit. The battery life is good (charged up Sunday, and still 40% remaining despite some heavy use yesterday). Yes, it's larger than a normal phone but, as I have long fingers, holding it is no problem.
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Dalek Dave wrote: protuberances
Nice, very nice.
I understand that quite a few phones do email these days though.
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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Whatever they write an app to do BBM messaging on. If all you use it for is standard email, then any smartphone will do.
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My silly s-i-l has one. It was a cheap deal when she signed up for it in Joburg. It wasn't long after the launch of the new range. She knows of only one other person to have bought a BollockBerry. Her daughter.
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
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I never believed in this stuff, but this[^] is really convincing.*
*Yes, I do know what's happening, but I want to keep this spoiler free until you've watched it.
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What would you do if you were the unknowing victim?
It is very convincing.
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I think that I would need some of Roger's Poo-pourri...
"Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read." Frank Zappa 1980
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1) pop home for a fresh set of underthings
2) hunt down the perpetrators for playing practical jokes on unknown people in a public place
That said, I think all of the people in the cafe were actors and/or in on the joke.
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Awesome good pre-halloween gag!
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PooPourri[^]! 
Brilliant advert, well worth watching. Happy Monday, all!
Will Rogers never met me.
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