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My 24 inch screen is more than an arms length away, because of its size.
It is not touch, but if it was I would not be able to reach it. Also, have you heard Gorilla arm? And last but not least, how much time do you lose raising your hand and using it both on the screen and mouse?
Not very efficient.
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My efficiency went up ten fold with the use of touch screens.
The efficiency went up to all of my real estate agents that also use touch.
It gets results, opinions beyond that are kind of invalid.
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Agreed. Many of the W8 UI features make some sense on small, touch based screens, but not at all on large desktop screens without touch.
W8 Desktop mode should be desktop mode. Charms don't belong there! These are central system commands that should be discoverable and easily accessible on a typical desktop system, disregarding the needs of a touch based or mobile system! The W7 (and earlier) Start Button and attached menu fulfilled that role. the Charm bar does not - to the contrary, it gets in the way when you try to close a window!
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Then why do you even post?
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It's a reason to why everyone is not happy about Windows 8, not the reality of it.
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I've had plenty of time to learn about the reality of W8 on my Ultrabook. It's almost as bad compared to W7 as Vista was claimed to be compared to XP. At least for any kind of professional work. I've spent hours to find(*) and set up my energy settings only to get them wiped on a regular basis for no apparent reason (I suspect Windows Update does it, but can't be sure). I regularly spend valuable minutes of worktime to locate the folder in Windows explorer that actually contains the files I stored from an application, because the whole "library" system is a total mess and makes it unnecessarily hard to locate files from without the application that stored it. I've spent more hours removing annoying remnants of the Metro UI popping up in desktop mode - just how often and insistently do I need to tell Windows I don't want it!? I've spent even more time trying to figure out how to make Windows and applications store data on my data partition, but I'm not yet done jumping through hoops. Why can't I just relocate the "My Documents folder to another path in a simple manner?
W8 is a horror to set up in a specific manner. If you're fine with the factory settings, then you're in luck. If not, plan for some exhaustive sessions to even find the appropriate settings that *may*, under certain conditions, affect the system in the way you want - only to have those settings changed or reset by some obscure background "service" that you possibly didn't even want to run in the first place if you even knew it existed.
Maybe some of these problems hail from the additional manufacturer-installed software, but by all indications the majority are built into W8.
Just to make a point: I wouldn't want to run iOS on a desktop any more than I would run W8. W8 is a smartphone OS. It is not a desktop OS any more, even in "desktop mode": It may be usable for tablets - I don't own one so I don't know. But on my Ultrabook - without touch screen - it is still more of a hindrance than help.
(*): when I said hours to find and set up, I meant stuff way beyond the 10 minutes to blank screen and 30 minutes to power down. There are several dozen settings spread over two different dialogs, several tabs and a badly ordered list of options with a terrible UI. It's somewhat intuitive once you've found all of it, but it's painfully easy to override an option in one place that you've set to a different value in another if you're not careful. Plus, as mentioned above - something in the system appears to reset some or all of the choices under certain conditions. Without asking or any kind of feedback to the user.
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To move the documents folder.
Right click on the documents folder.
select properties.
go to location tab.
click the move button.
Find folder in the dialog box that appears.
Click ok or apply.
Message box appears that reads "Do you want to move all of the files from the old location to the new location - Yes no cancel.
In your case select no.
Nothing is hard in windows 8 in fact its super easy once you have the experience.
The only time I've lost settings within windows 8 is when I screwed up the install.
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Yes and no. What you describe (and what I already knew) is the way to move the user specific part of a specific library. In this example it will move the "My Documents" location for the currently logged in user. It will not move hte location for the public or any other user, nor will it move the location of the picture, audio, and other library files - you have to move all of them individually! And that's what I haven't found out how to do in 'one step'.
It used to be super easy in W7, because it only required knowledge of moving files and folders rather than "libraries", and because that way you could move the entire document folder at once rather than each "sub library" individually.
Thank you for proving my point.
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When you only select the documents folder it will only move the documents folder.
This method stems from windows 95.
There are many ways of mapping this in one command.
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P.S.: just to make a point: I actually like the vision behind Windows 8. I just don't like how it's being implemented. An UI should always cater to the users' needs, and these needs wildly differ between desktop users and smartphone users. It's a great idea to have a common OS under the hood - but it should remain under that hood and not force the pecularities of one device on the use of a comepletely different one!
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UI's that cater to the users is always a model that has failed.
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You do understand that UI stands for "User Interface"? 
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A car is a user interface, the car that Homer Simpson build was good I must admit but the reality is users don't know jack about what they really what.
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That doesn't change that a UI needs to cater to the users needs! Whether they know them or not is a separate issue - you as a developer should know them however. And it appears MS has failed miserably in this regard.
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I used to listen to users - I barely made any money.
Then I found that if I program to get results - I make money.
Every user will complain they have to learn something new, because its all about me me me, that day is over - get over yourself.
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The point isn't to do everything the users say, the point is to understand their needs.
I agree that complaints about having to learn something new are not important in that regard, but the complaints about Win8 have been raging since day one of the preview, and MS chose to ignore them all. Some, but definitely not all of them may just have been about "learning something new". But many were very valid complaints about real usability issues for desktop users. And these did and still do exist.
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I can see how there are a lot of things currently in the UI that don't work the way they are suppose to and affect the user experience, listening to the user at this point is just allowing the user to have creative input into the program not really addressing the issue and potentially road blocking the greatness that will come out of this UI if windows moves backwards.
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Agreed. Moving backwards is not a viable solution. MS needs to work on better alternatives instead.
As pointed out in a different posting, the vision that led to W8 is a good one - it's just the current implementation that is lacking.
That said, I do hope they drop the idea of a unified UI: a screen layout that works well on a 4 inch smartphone touch screen will never scale up well to a 24 inch desktop non-touch screen, no matter how many resources MS invests into that goal. They should instead split up the "View" in the MVC model into a "Scene", which describes the visuals in a more abstract way, and several "Viewports" with different capabilities that render the current Scene depending on their individual capabilities (such as resolution, screen size, touch-capability, 3D-capability, refresh rate, and the like). This would greatly help in programming applications that run on different devices, while still catering to the usage patterns of each individual device.
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I am using two 40 inch screens with wireless gestures.
As a programmer in windows 8.1 I never have to worry about scalability it solves that issue so easily
modified 11-Oct-13 5:28am.
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Correct. I love Windows 7 and I still have a few VMs in Windows XP. Both great. Vista = total flop. Win 8 = not yet a flop but dancing on the edge.
Users have changed over the years. Microsoft cannot just pull the trick of forcing people to do what they think is right. Users have learned that systems adapt to them, not the other way round.
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I think why everyone is upset is that they are learning that systems wont adapt to them any more.
When what they ask for isn't possible while listening to how they want it - the user gets silenced.
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You are wrong. If Microsoft won't adapt to the user, some other company will and MS will keep going down. Don't get me wrong, I am an MS and I love Windows above OS X (I use both), but MS needs to be humble enough to recognize the need to adapt to users or die. (albeit they have too much momentum, it will take years but it will happen if they don't adapt)
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Windows 8 and windows phone 8 continue to gain market share and have yet to have a downward trend.
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And by gain market share you mean that it is even worse than Vista?
http://www.zdnet.com/windows-8-continues-to-fail-7000016222/[^]
I have a Windows Phone sitting nicely in my desk. I use my iPhone instead as it is more user friendly.
I do develop in Windows and think it is great. They just messed it up with this one in particular.
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