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Oh, one other big one...
Visual Studio 2013 RC is not compatible with Windows 8. How do you like that? Brand new development environment can't even run on the newest OS. Also see my comment further down about Windows 8 removing support for DVD playback.
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8.1 is an upgrade to 8
it's the newest OS - your argument is flawed.
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Ok, since you want to get into semantics, VS 2013 will not run on Windows 8, or Windows 8.1.
When installing it says something to the effect that "This operating system is not supported by this version of Visual Studio".
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I am running vs 2013 on windows 8.1
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Are you saying it's not compatible with 8.1? I running VS 2013 RC on Windows 8 with no problem.
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2010/2012 works just fine, when I went to install 2013 it told me that VS was not compatible with that version of Windows...
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I have both VS 2012 and VS 2013 installed. My VS 2013 install worked without a hitch, on both my desktop running Windows 8 and my laptop running Windows 8.
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Not completly true.
"Windows Store app development requires Windows 8.1 RTM, which is available to MSDN and TechNet subscribers. Visual Studio 2013 RC does not support Windows 8.1 Preview or Windows Server 2012 R2 Preview. To develop on Windows 8.1 Preview or Windows Server 2012 R2 Preview, download Visual Studio 2013 Preview."
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Chris Maunder wrote: I live in hope there's a killer feature that someone will mention that will make
it all good again
What, like the "shutdown" command.... 
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You can make the start menu transparent (in a way)
- right click on start menu
- click properties
- go to navigation tab
- enable show desktop background on start
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And I need to know this why?
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I think you missed the sarcasm in the post. I am fully aware of the shutdown function thank you very much.
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I hear ya.
I find it very frustrating that in the Windows and OSX world, OS == UI. There is no reason for them to be coupled. Yes, there are many start menu workarounds, but it's unreasonable for users, especially in the enterprise to change everything because someone made an arbitrary decision. I so sick of Mac fanboys lining up every time OSX's version is incremented by 0.001 and given a new hat. The thing is, I really liked the Windows 2000 UI and it had a reliable and small kernel to boot. Other than driver and security updates, it was all the OS I need for a desktop. (PS: On modern hardware, Win2K starts up in less time on a magnetic drive than Win8 does on SSD.
Those of us from Un*x land don't face this and I don't think I've ever said, "I wish that this particular UI was the only one available and that I can't change it until someone at Unix Inc. decides I need a new one and then I'll cope". You pick your OS (FreeBSD for me) and you pick your UI from hundreds available.
I use Windows 8 because I need it to build Windows Store and Windows Phone apps. Hell, I actually like it on my Surface Pro.
You could install Windows NT from a stack of floppies. Win2K fully installed was what, 300MB? What on earth is filling 20GB of space on a clean Win8 installation, and how is this considered progress?
I really hope ReactOS goes somewhere. It's an open-source OS that is binary-compatible with Windows.
#GetOffMyLawn
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Ron Beyer wrote: I hate working full screen.
That there is a killer, like CM I use multiple large screens and full screen is bloody ridiculous, I think I'll continue to wait a while before I get a new machine. I certainly won't upgrade my dev box from 7.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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You don't upgrade based on fear only.
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I've used the demo version of StartX, and it works, but why should I have to pay a 3rd party developer to add something back in that Microsoft took out? If that was the only fall-back of Win8 I could live with paying a couple bucks to a hungry developer, but with so many other "issues" I can't bring myself to whip out the wallet when I don't like a lot of other things.
BTW, DVD support has also been removed in Win8 without a 3rd party codec. Too many issues to whip the wallet out for all of them, turns a $250 OS into a $350 one by the time I buy all the things that I "upgraded" from in Win7.
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They offered the Media Center Pack for windows 8 which featured DVD playback and a few other media goodness a while back sending free keys to your email account, which i took advantage of.
You probably have to pay for it now.
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classicshell[^] Also brings back the start menu, along with other features. For free.
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8.1 so far is not a full release and to complain about bugs is well stupid considering it's not a full release.
The control panel
- Start menu - Type control Panel
- Start menu - All programs - Windows System
- Explorer - This PC - Computer menu - Control panel icon
If you can't find something in 8.1 - type it in the start menu.
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I'm not sure if you understand how Microsoft releases software.
First, once a version hits RC (release candidate) its a feature freeze. RC (or what they call "Preview" now) is given out to the public so that they can get bug and security reports, those are fixed before public release, but no new features are added.
Next, once a version is ready for public release, it is given to MSDN subscribers first, usually about 30 days prior to general public release. I have an MSDN subscription and have been running 8.1 preview since it came out, and 8.1 release since it was available. So yes, 8.1 is full release and I didn't say anything about the system being buggy. I'm simply complaining that the UI choices MS made on Windows 8 do not fit with what I consider to be good choices for a full sized desktop system or even laptops bigger than netbooks.
Not sure why you want to tell everybody they are wrong, you won't find me going into the posts where people said it was the best thing ever and telling them they are wrong... Arguing for arguments sake maybe?
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From the Microsoft website: Windows 8.1 Preview and Windows RT 8.1 Preview are pre-release versions of Windows 8.1.
It is not the full release period.
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