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I don't discuss religion or politics in the lounge.
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger.
English doesn't borrow from other languages.
English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
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Leslie! 
speramus in juniperus
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Unless the browser developers provided a whole bunch of low level hooks into their execution engines (can you say huge new attack surface); I'm not sure how you're expecting the VS team to be able to debug javascript running inside the browser.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Sorry, not buying that one.
You can debug Firefox with Firebug.
You can't debug Microsoft Internet Explorer with Microsoft Visual Studio.
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Firebug lives inside Firefox. (Chrome's debug tools live inside Chrome, etc). Opening up that level of access to the guts to an external application would bring back the whole how do we secure the system when allowing the browser it to run things that have unfettered access to the rest of the system problem again. That's no less insane now than it was 15 years ago when the lunatics in Redmond were pushing activeX in the browser.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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It's not that I don't understand what you're saying conceptually, just that both Firefox and Chrome have a solution. Microsoft, which owns both IE and VS, doesn't.
I don't recall hearing much of a public outcry calling Firefox and Chrome evil for implementing thier solutions. The fact that Microsoft hasn't come up with an acceptable one of their own is just weak.
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IE does have developer tools. Like Chrome and Firefox they're built into the browser. In addition to the security benefits from not opening the browser wide to the rest of the OS, doing it in the browser means that devs can debug in IE using any webstack not just MS's.
Creating a special deeply embedded version of IE as part of VS might make things a bit easier; but it would only be a supplement to existing tools and IMO the VS team has other much more useful things that they could work on instead.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd565627%28v=vs.85%29.aspx[^]
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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What you're saying makes sense, I just miss high quality, integrated development tools. In other words, I miss Borland. 
And thanks for the link, man.
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Yeah you're right, I'm sure they could do a bit better on a lot of things. You can still debug on IE and Chrome without extensions though. Load up your page and then open your source files from the dev tool window, put a breakpoint where you want it.
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Christopher Duncan wrote: Please, for the love of Bob, would someone come up with a cross platform
application
Here you go... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob[^]
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
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Yep, it sucks that you can't do that from VS. I just use the old IE F12 and set breakpoints there. At least you can see what is going on, or verify that events are firing...which is one of my gripes with IE10 at the moment.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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Bloody stuff, no sooner do I clean it then more appears.
How's a man of leisure supposed to cruise the intarwebs when there's all this frogging great mould on the ceiling? Mrs Wife says I have to clean the bathroom ceiling, again, even though it is not me who has 2 hour showers with the temperature on full and leaves the bathroom door closed.
Oh no, but it's bally muggins here who has to clear up the mess.
speramus in juniperus
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I love Mould[^]
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Obscurum per obscurius.
Ad astra per alas porci.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur .
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Well you would! 
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So do I![^]
Cheers!
"I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!"
Ron White, Comedian
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I guess you should have more showers in order to lower her rate of. 
Veni, vidi, vici.
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They have a new device call an exhaust fan. 
Or maybe she is waiting for you to join her? 
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Maybe Dave and you can swap... you solve his rat problem, he solves your mould problem...
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When combined with djj55's solution, this could provide a much more fun experience for Dave than for Nagy...
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Use oven spray, and don't wash it off till the day after.
Nothing like caustic soda for getting rid of fungus.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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So I get a call from a colleague in a different room.
No interwebs and no emails.
Nor does his elf have access.
I and others do, so something is amiss.
We have the modem, connected to an 8 way switch, one of which goes to the first office I mentioned, and into a 2 way switch to run colleague and elf computers.
I swapped out the 2 way first, no joy, then swapped out switched wires at the 8 way, still not working.
Ran a line test down and discovered the cable is crook.
Do down to the basement I go and follow the line until I see the problem.
A gnawed wire.
The rats have been at it and now I need to relay the cable.
Sh*tty job, down in a dark subterranean hell hole with rats and dirt, fiddling with odd bits and bobs in the hope of making people happy.
(Sounds like a Chinese sweatshop)
Anyway, just been out and bought 40m of Armoured Cat 5.
How cheap is that? £1.70 a metre!
I remember this being really expensive stuff a few years ago.
(Perhaps those Chinese sweat shops are a good thing?)
Anyway, my afternoon will be mostly dirty and frustrating.
BTW, I HATE rats.
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Obscurum per obscurius.
Ad astra per alas porci.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur .
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Dalek Dave wrote: I HATE rats
Shouldn't live in Luton then... 
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger.
English doesn't borrow from other languages.
English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
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The rats aren't so bad, its the Zombies down there I would be worried about.
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