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That is interesting - I really hope it works out for you.
I find myself wanting to get out of programming because I don't feel like it is a 'craft' in that by the time one learns a language/IDE/etc. it gets tossed out for some new thing. While there are 'craft' like components to it - lessons hard learned and all that - I feel as if the material is too transitional and inconsequential for my liking.
In short, I think a well made end table has more meaning than what I do.
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I love programming. It just seems that in no programming job in the last 25+ years have I actually been allowed to really DO it.
And as much as I love Bob Martin and the Agilistas I draw the line at his assertion that programming is a craft. I do appreciate his drive to bring some kind of professional standards to what we do. But his choice of nomenclature is half a bubble off plumb.
I can make an end grain butcher block cutting board that's 2" thick and never doubt that I've made something.
Twiddling bits? Meh. Notsomuch.
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The best job I ever had was designing, building, programming and maintaining automated production machinery, and it took me a while to understand why.
It was the fact that I could be creative, even pushing my nose into the product design process in order that the finished article could be assembled, tested and packaged reliably and quickly. I could 'play' with things like automated vision systems, interfaces to control circuits, pneumatics, electrical and electronic actuators etc. as well as the metalwork and fabrication.
I loved that job and getting up in the morning to do it was no chore at all.
Ultimately I changed jobs, chasing more money, and ended up doing some development work in larger IT systems but found the lack of creativity, control over the finished product and beaurocracy soul-destroying.
Don't get me wrong, I understand that these aren't easy jobs and someone needs to do them and do them well for big IT infrastructures to work, it just isn't for me, I need to see an end product, to be able to say 'I did that'.
Now I'm even further away from the creative side, in project management and all I can say is it pays well... wonder if I've got enough space in the outbuildings for a workshop?
Andy B
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Head over to lumberjocks.com and watch youtube videos by Izzy Swan.
You'll be glad you did. Izzy's doing a great series on "starting a workshop with $50." he's an awesomely creative furniture builder and nuttier than squirrel droppings.
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There's probably a goobered up, over-complicated mess, somewhere in that old project.
Make him work on that.
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Consider yourself lucky - A Project Management that thinks this way is far worse to deal with.
Team: We need to refactor the code to guarantee that future release won't become a PITA.
Management: Screw you, just add the new features.
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I know what you need, some motivation[^].
You're welcome.
speramus in juniperus
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Everyone knows one[^]I have this one saved away
Send lawyers, guns and money
modified 14-Nov-13 15:32pm.
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Is he a CPian? If so, well played. 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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Experience has taught me that any developer who has a primary complaint of that it "would be a great deal of work" is the wrong type of developer for any of my teams.
Not understanding the work? Sure, they need mentoring. Not knowing how to do it? They need guidance.
Belly aching about how hard it will be? I've heard it many times. The end result will be sloppy, inefficient, and riddled with bugs. These folks are in the wrong field, in my opinion. We do this not because it's easy, but because it's hard.
Hire an autodidact; they don't bellyache about how hard it will be. They'll light up when you tell them it's a challenge.
"Things don't happen for a reason; things just happen, and then we reason them." - Joe Chizmas
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Quote: wonder-class
It's called that because you end up wondering what all the code does!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Don't give advice to a programmer unless you are their boss. Only give mild suggestions. Must programmers have already decided how they are going to do something and just want validation. I am sick an tired of hearing the "its too much work/time to do it right I just need to do it fast"
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Per Albert Einstein:
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
But I do have one question - at this point, to which of you does this appertain?
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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MehGerbil wrote: creating a discrete class for a function
You mean "one function, one class"?
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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I got the "that will be a lot of work" statement from a junior dev just the other day. The response was not pretty, and yeah this guy think he knows everything and is highly resistive to learning.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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The work is complicated by nature.
Being surprised by that nature of the work, or complaining about it, is just silly.
There is a reason why programmers earn more than a typical data entry person.
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My car with its crumpled rear end gets picked up tomorrow to see if it is fixable.
Just had a phone call from a car hire company to sort out my courtesy car.
I told them I didn't have that on my policy.
He explained that since I am zero percent to blame and the other driver was properly insured I get a courtesy car as they will recover the costs from her.
So in the morning once my car has gone they're coming to pick me up to take me to the car.
Things have been going unexpectedly well since the accident. Not only did we get lucky with the warrantee on the patio door, but yesterday my wife's eleven year old car flew through its MOT.
The collision does seem to have realigned the universe quite nicely, now if only the pain would do one.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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They'll find 1 kilo of Brazilian cocaine in your car while they're fixing it.
This time tomorrow night you'll be in a prison cell trying to convince your cellmates that a full body cavity search isn't necessary.
Glad I could help.
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 Nature "balance" ? Elephant that !
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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It's carma.
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The car I had two cars ago had a strong smell of weed every time it rained. Never did work out why.
Mate of my brother's got caught crossing into France with a ton and a half of cannabis about ten years ago. He was unable to leave France for a couple of years after that.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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ChrisElston wrote: ton and a half of cannabis
Did he claim it was for "personal use"? I feel the munchies coming on, must get to the caff...
If your neighbours don't listen to The Ramones, turn it up real loud so they can.
“We didn't have a positive song until we wrote 'Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue!'” ― Dee Dee Ramone
"The Democrats want my guns and the Republicans want my porno mags and I ain't giving up either" - Joey Ramone
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And for those of us who don't live in the UK? 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience
Greg King
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I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific.
Lily Tomlin, Actress
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It will be on the obligatory 50th anniversary BluRay/DVD.
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