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I understand the 50th will feature Mr Nielsen[^]. 
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Okay just completed my first (very trivial app) using MVC5 + EF6. Not sure what all the fuss is about. Like VS2013 but I'm easy; I've liked 'em all!
Seriously, what is the fuss all about? Why is this better than web forms? I mean, it's pretty neat and needs less code to do the same things but that only appears to be because it's all hidden away. Is that right? Seems like it is. Not sure why you'd prefer this for small/medium apps. Maybe it's better with the big stuff: enterprise apps or real time trading systems and the like.
Opinions? I want to like it and I'll keep at it; just want to know that it isn't going to be dead in a couple of years - seems like web forms will be here for the long haul.
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Thanks: hadn't seen that: interesting.
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Because WebForms is essentially a dead technology? It doesn't scale well and is not something you want to use for mobile platforms.
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: Because WebForms is essentially a dead technology?
Don't think that is right at all: MS Development Platform Technologies[^]
Dave Kreskowiak wrote: It doesn't scale well
In what way? (Have not found that to be the case at all in a number of web applications).
Dave Kreskowiak wrote: is not something you want to use for mobile platforms
Why not? (If you create a new project in VS2013, one Web Forms and one MVC, they look and feel identical as they both use bootstrap). Are you trying to say that would not be enough?
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Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
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mark merrens wrote: Don't think that is right at all: MS
Development Platform Technologies[^]
Actually, did you read that post and the document it points to?? I have the 70 page tome sitting right here. "Mobile Web: Anything but WebForms" "ASP.NET MVC with Modernizer is the base line recommendation". WebForms is mentioned very little as a recommendation of any kind, being mentioned only once as a possibility for Small/Medium standalone data-centric business apps using simple databinding. MVC is mentioned far more often and is the top choice for "modern web applications...supporting mobile devices".
In my experience, Web Forms also generates some pretty crappy JavaScript.
That tells me WebForms is essentially dead.
mark merrens wrote: In what way? (Have not found that to be the case at all in a number of web
applications).
With the increasing number of controls on the page, ViewState size increases, sometimes dramatically. With the ever increase in mobile platforms using 3G/4G/LTE/whatever, ViewState increasingly eats the sh*t out of your data limits.
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You are right, the View-State and heavy web pages are not suitable for Mobile. Also the rich / traditional web controls available for WebForms are also not suitable for responsive web design, and will not render correctly in Mobile view.
But it is not dead, no were near dead. There are many scenarios where one doesn't need Mobile version at-all, there are scenarios where they have Native Mobile apps And there are companies with existing WebForms work-force, these all will still use WebForms.
Also in the latest version of WebForms, they have added support for seamless switching between Desktop and Mobile views. Now you can create YourPage.aspx and YourPage.mobile.aspx and it will render the webpage based on the device, just like MVC.
MVC has many advantages over WebForms and WebForms also has many advantages over MVC. It's a choice. 
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Hehe - we will agree to disagree. Only time will tell what the ultimate outcome is. 
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Interesting: thanks. Looks like it is still a choice based upon the usage of the application though I suppose MVC will win out. Pity: I like Web Forms and have never felt limited by the functionality offered.
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Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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I went to try and recreate something I did in 2012 using MVC5 only to find they now have identities for memberships/roles etc. etc. Got confused, put it to the side for another day so went back to another headache I've got at the moment on a javascript node.js package not building under windows. It brings me to 
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Now try to make a big project and add some modifications to the database.
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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Meaning?
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
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It's hard to evaluate a framework by a simple project. It has a template-generated project with a basic crud example.
How is EF6 handling changes in the database, does it update the entities easily?
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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Sitalkes wrote: It's hard to evaluate a framework by a simple project.
Which is why I'm being curious!
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Hi guys, someone with some experience in this unicorn? At first glance the Report Designer looks like it has enough futures but this means nothing. So how bad this reports suck compared to the radioactive C***tal Reports? Are it robust enough for actual use, or it’s still a raw material?
Thanks in advance.
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I haven't used Component One reports, but I can say good things about DevExpress Reports. DevExpress has, IMO, one of the best reporting suites out there.
Getting information off the Internet is like taking a drink from a fire hydrant.
- Mitchell Kapor
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Try this. Trust me, it won't hurt.
1) While sitting at your desk, lift your right foot of the floor, and rotate it in clockwise circles.
There! That wasn't too bad was it?
2) Now, while still rotating clockwise, lift your right hand, and draw a "6" in the air.
Nothing wrong so far? goood.
3) Look at your foot.
Why is it going anticlockwise?
Because as I said - your brain doesn't work right...and there is nothing you can do to stop it happening... 
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger.
English doesn't borrow from other languages.
English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
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Beat you at the first step 
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I had no trouble doing it right.
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You must be some sort of sorcerer.
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Burn the witch!
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I could resist the change in direction for a few seconds. As it turns out I could also easily make my coworkers think there is something wrong with me.
Another one you can try is (I learnt this one in primary school):
1. With an open palm rub your stomach in a circular motion.
2. Pat the top of your head with the other hand.
One of your hands will follow the other and you will wind up patting your stomach or rubbing your head. Most people can get that one right with some practice though; especially if you are partially or fully ambidextrous.
He who asks a question is a fool for five minutes. He who does not ask a question remains a fool forever. [Chinese Proverb]
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Don't understand. Works fine. Takes some weird focus but nothing that'll get me in the circus.
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OriginalGriff wrote: rotate it in clockwise circles
It only goes about thirty degrees and stops.
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