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Sorry mate - if you're going to make a statement like that you also need to open a thread in the SoapBox and direct the endless, subjective, selective, armchair commentary (from both sides) to that forum where it has space to grow and prosper.
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It was just a statement: wasn't intended to elicit anything. However, if you feel it should be in the soapybox feel free to transfer it over.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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Even if you sincerely believe it, it's clearly a discussion that belongs in the soapbox.
Christian Graus
My new article series is all about SQL !!!
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Well, I don't agree but never mind.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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You're welcome to post a link to a discussion you start in the soapbox. I promise to be civil in explaining to you why I think you're mistaken. I am sure you'll see soon enough why such a discussion does not belong in the lounge.
Christian Graus
My new article series is all about SQL !!!
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I have no doubt you'd be civil: that isn't the issue.
I do, however, disagree that the conversation would be best discussed in the soapbox. I wasn't looking for a conversation, just expressing a personal view.
Still, I'll put it over there and see what happens.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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Of course, Mark. Obviously one would never expect such a statement in this forum would elicit anything other than mild nods and everyone would move on, keyboard untouched.
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Hey! I can't be responsible for other people's reactions to what I write. 
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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No, of course not. But you'd hopefully understand that some people would see you as being 2 beers short of a six-pack for not anticipating them and acting accordingly.
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enhzflep wrote: No, of course not. But you'd hopefully understand that some people would see you as being 2 beers short of a six-pack for not anticipating them and acting accordingly.
Ha! That is, of course, the left wing, communist thinking of the nanny state. Why am I to be held responsible for other people's reactions? Are they children? Are they morons? No, only the people who think we have to be responsible for other people's thoughts and actions are morons. Hello, moron.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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I pointed out what to most normal people would be bleedingly obvious, yet you respond with what appears to be a direct and personal insult.
Have a closer look - I never said I felt that way, nor subscribed to that view myself. I merely said that there would be people that thought that way.
If your closing sentence was sarcasm, I'm sorry to admit it was lost on me. 
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enhzflep wrote: I pointed out what to most normal people would be bleedingly obvious, yet you respond with what appears to be a direct and personal insult.
I take it you left your sense of humor at home?
enhzflep wrote: I'm sorry to admit it was lost on me.
Yes, it appears it was.
It was meant in humor: sorry if you were offended.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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Thanks for the clarification Mark. I think I've got my sense of humour with me, just (as has now become increasingly apparent) a little too tired to interpret written sarcasm very well.
I'm not and wasn't offended, I was just confused there for a bit. The smilie-face didn't seem to gel with the words & I didn't quite know how to take it.
Hope I haven't turned this into a joke that gets explained - i.e ruined it!
Cheers mate, hope the day doesn't throw anything nasty at ya.
Simon.
Here, have a +vote on me.
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Thanks: my wife tells me that I'm not nearly as funny as I think I am. She may be right. Dammit.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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Pleasure. Hmm, you're on your own with that one, cos I'm a fence-sitter in spousal differences of opinion. 
But I think your post was as funny as hell, now that I understand where you're coming from.
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Of course! I'm not commenting, even though I just spent three horrendous days in the Peoples' Republic of California unarmed by law, and subject to the mindless or malicious intent of any of the armed loonies that reside there, despite the law. Even though many who dwell here would benefit from learning that opinions and facts are different creatures, and no amount of wishful thinking will change facts, I'm not commenting... 
Will Rogers never met me.
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A small comparison with Switzerland:
In Switzerland a majority of the male population is conscripted to the army and is required to keep an army rifle or assault rifle at home.
Switzerland has one of the lowest murder rates in the world with 0.7 per 100,000 population.
I'd say it is a matter of culture.
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Agreed. And clearly, disarming people in the USA won't change that the country is awash with guns.
Christian Graus
My new article series is all about SQL !!!
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So, how do one change the culture?
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I don't think it's possible, but the first step would be to stop the media from creating a culture of irrational fear. Another step would be to have a society without such huge gaps in opportunity and ability to sustain life comfortably.
Could be headed towards soapbox territory....
Christian Graus
My new article series is all about SQL !!!
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Christian Graus wrote: I don't think it's possible,
Yes it is. After some googling I found this: how to change a culture[^].
Crap - that's only a getter. I told you I was sick.
I meant this[^]. 
/ravi
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Doing something about the media. - Agreed.
Christian Graus wrote: Could be headed towards soapbox territory....
You're probably right. I'm out of here, I'll check the soapbox tomorrow.
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Unless mark starts it, I probably won't pursue it. It's a broken record 'guns make us free, the government are scared of us because of our guns, etc'. yawn.
Christian Graus
My new article series is all about SQL !!!
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: So, how do one change the culture?
Ship them all off to Switzerland. 
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What have the Swiss done to you?
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