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Christopher Shields wrote: but the fact that they seem to be rushing it out this quickly certainly doesn't look good.
They're moving to this rapid release paradigm anyway - everyone copying Google it seems.
Kevin
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Absolutely not!
I don't get all the complaints and anxious hand-wringing, windows 8 is more stable and faster than windows 7.
Who the Fuck cares if there's no start button? Learn, people, learn! Open the brain!
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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No.
You cannot compare the backlash of Vista “Security Changes” to the “UI Changes” of Windows 8.
The problem with Windows Vista was it took too long to learn about all new security features and permission changes that you were not required to have on XP. The new programs and Drives threw errors because of these permissions and the new Virtualization was not understood.
The problem with Windows 8 is the radical way you navigate in the new style UI.
It is mainly designed for touch devices and is not very handy for non touch devices.
I still don’t know if there is a way to shut down an “App” without going to task manager and killing it.
Just going thru the new UI and testing all of the apps left me with as many “suspended” in the background.
There is no close or exit in them.
You have to know the keyboard or swipe commands to navigate around it. Swipe from this direction to do this.
Hit this combination of keys to do this.
So, No you cannot compare the two.
One was an “Over” Security problem and the other was a Radical UI problem.
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ledtech3 wrote: I still don’t know if there is a way to shut down an “App” without going to task manager and killing it.
Swipe down from the top of the screen to close a 'Metro' app.
Getting information off the Internet is like taking a drink from a fire hydrant.
- Mitchell Kapor
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Thanks I will have to see how well that works with my mouse on a non touch screen device.
Edit:
No, it just made them dissapear but they were still active in task manager.
Not shut down like a regular windows application.
I did discover that you can do a split screen with the old desktop and the new start screen.
But I have no idea how I accidently did it.
modified 21-Jan-14 21:41pm.
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Its "swipe down and hold there". The app will then flip after about one second and close.
Or use one of those nifty new keyboard shortcuts: Alt-F4 (or did I indeed use that one in an earlier Windows version?)
Ciao,
luker
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Thanks I will have to make note of the shortcuts.
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lukeer wrote: Its "swipe down and hold there". The app will then flip after about one second and close.
Oh, you are kidding me. 
Anyway, thanks for that tip. I don't think I would have found that on my own.
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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Ok just tried the Swipe Method and it worked  yeahhhh.
Using the mouse with no touch in 8.1.
Put the pointer at the top and wait for the cursor to change from a pointer to a hand,
(not sure what the difference is for the pointy finger)
Then hold down the left mouse button and drag down.
Like they said hold a second at the bottom and it will flip and dissapear.
Check in task manager and it is gone.
Great Tip
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When you're on the desktop or have more than one "App" running, move your cursor to the upper left to display the list of apps running, move your mouse to the desired app, right-click and choose "close".
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Thanks I'll have to check that out.
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Yahoo edges out Google, Microsoft, and Facebook in ComScore's latest top 50 US desktop Web properties. Wait... What? How?
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Spam links 
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Finally, someone with enough volume to test significant numbers of drives comes clean. There are drives to buy and drives to avoid. Just in case you're in the market
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They close the article appropriately enough: there's no substitute for BACKUPS!
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Not surprising considering the problem's I've had (and still have) with 2 Seagate 1.5TB Barracuda's. Seagate response? "There is no problem with the drive. You're not supposed to use them in a RAID." OK, then explain the "Desktop RAID" features in your own marketing materials, you MORONS!
Almost a year later, hey there's a new firmware update for the drives. Well, it doesn't fix the problems, but it makes it so the problems don't break the array every few hours.
I'll never buy another Seagate drive so long as I live.
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By 2035, there will be almost no poor countries left in the world. (I mean by our current definition of poor.) Almost all countries will be what we now call lower-middle income or richer. Countries will learn from their most productive neighbors and benefit from innovations like new vaccines, better seeds, and the digital revolution. Their labor forces, buoyed by expanded education, will attract new investments. Where are they going? Can we come along?
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He's dreaming.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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No I think there will be one poor nation left where all the poor people of the world will huddle together and it shall be called America.
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Microsoft Virtual Academy is hosting a free full week of Azure training January 27-31, 2014. Each day, a different topic will be covered. Everything you always wanted to know about Azure, and likely more
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There are some ways to get rid of older Java versions, but there's no easy path to doing so. "This application requires a Java Runtime Environtment 1.5.0"
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Um, you can just uninstall them. I have, works pretty good.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Unless you have an app that specifically requires an older version. I've seen a few of those around - version-- of Oracle SQL Developer being one.
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TTFN - Kent
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Then I get rid of that app.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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I have uninstalled it myself.
I even had a web page that said it neded it but when I dismissed the notification the app worked anyway as expected.
Go figure.
Java runtime. used to be one of the things that you "Had" to install when you set up a new system. But for the most part people don't need it anymore.
Unless you are doing something the specifically requires it. Like android development on windows.
Or that Line of Buisness application that has not been updated for years.
It needs to be changed anyway 
Like the older Windows XP html/script programs that used to run the help and support on it.
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