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Okay, while I love to mock and pillory Steve Ballmer, I must point out that, in all fairness, he didn't actually write ANY of Windows 8. Now, if you were to turn your attention to Steve Sinofsky that's a whole different radish.
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Take a deep breath. I don't like Windows 8 either. There are many features I don't care about. However, my employer assigned me a Windows 8 laptop. After about 2 weeks of daily use, I gave up fighting it and I don't even notice the OS anymore, except when the Elephanting charms menu randomly shows up...
With some patience, you can be just as productive if you want to be. I would prefer to have the start button back, but I am dealing just fine. Embrace change, you're in IT!
Hogan
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Yes,
The problem is that MY Desktop is Windows 7.
But I am having to support people with Windows 8, Remotely, usually using GoToMeeting,
which Windows 8 HIDES many prompts, and my users are ... Well "Users"...
So, I don't get used to it. I am usually dialing in to do something, that in the past took 2
minutes, and I was good to go.
I have NO experience with it, and the tool I use does not send the WINDOWS key, so I have to
ask the user to type that for me... And I don't always see the results because windows 8 security
hides some things, or prompts them to continue... Ughhh...
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Have you considered using a different tool? GoToMeeting is for business people to conduct meetings with screen sharing. They have a different service called Go To Assist[^] that is for technical people. I migrated tech support from GoToMeeting to GoToAssist at a previous position and it enabled them to be in more control of the user's machine. Our customers and support people were both happier! It installs a service that allows it to press all hidden UAC buttons, running as an administrator, and many other awesome features.
While it does cost more money, it also helps with Windows 7/Vista support as well.
Good luck!
Hogan
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That is helpful.
I use it 99% of the time for meetings, but good to know...
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I like Windows 8 a lot more with this little registry tweak to disable the charms bar automatically popping up. It will still come up with "Win+C", which makes it much more useful and only when I want it to be. 
http://www.askvg.com/how-to-disable-charms-bar-hint-in-windows-8/[^]
You can also disable the edge swiping thing on laptops by going to the Mouse Properties (Control Panel -> Hardware and Sound -> Mouse), then select the Device Settings tab and then Settings. Uncheck the "Enable Edge Swipes" checkbox.
-NP
Never underestimate the creativity of the end-user.
modified 27-Jan-14 15:10pm.
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Thanks a ton for that tip! Can't count just how often I cursed that stupid pop up and then trying to get it to go away again on the small 13" screen of my (non-touch) ultrabook! You are the saviour of my sanity! 
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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So sorry to hear of your angst. I've been using Windows 8 and 8.1 for nearly 2 years now and I see no problem. In fact after realizing that there is a whole start screen instead of a start menu, I find it easier to locate stuff on my Win8 machines than on the other ones.
Perhaps you just don't like change?
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr., P. E.
Comport Computing
Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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I don't mind change.
I mind change that makes my life hard.
Also, I NEVER use windows 8 unless a client who has it calls.
So, it is just not in my wheelhouse.
But NO OTHER version of windows is so FRUSTRATING of an upgrade. I
could use all of the versions in between. And I admit when I moved to Win7,
it took about 3 days for me to like it better than XP. It takes me roughly 5-8 days
to install and build a new machine for me to use, and that usually gets me up to speed.
But I dont have a windows 8 desktop.
So, since you have no problems. PLEASE how do I tell my NOVICE user via email to access
a file that is located in:
C:\Program Files(x86)\FPS\QB_Import\_SOMEFILE_.DAT
Please?
QB_IMPORT is not visible...
Kirk Out!
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Go to the Desktop, bring up Explorer and do it the same way you would do it in previous versions of Windows.
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr., P. E.
Comport Computing
Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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No. This is my point.
The folder is not visible.
I even tried opening the program that lets me select the file in the folder.
And I tried Right Click COPY... Go to another folder. Paste.
It will NOT let me. It says the file is no longer there (it means the Explorer window does not have access to this). And Right Click, send to DOCUMENTS FAILS as well.
and trying to tell the user to do this has been impossible, so I dialed in to discover they were not insane.
But I am still listening. (I am going to fall back to trying to find CMD and running it as Administrator, and doing it from DOS, but I have to wait for the user to call me back). It just isn't fun or NEARLY as easy as it should be.
And if I write good software 13 years ago. The user getting a new machine should not break the software. They certainly do not want to pay me to redesign the system to save files in other places, and recompile and test in Windows 8...
But I cannot get the user to get to the file. It is driving me crazy.
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Member 10389821 wrote: The folder is not visible.
Options-->Show system and hidden files?
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I'm not sure this is the problem he's referring to: setting Explorer to show all hidden files is among the first things I do on every new PC/OS, but in W7 and W8 I've found there are tons of links and "folders" that are not only hidden, but also can't be accessed (Explorer will issue an error message, and CMD.EXE will tell you the item isn't there. In some cases I even managed to "cd" to such denied folders in CMD.EXE, even though it told me it doesn't exist.
Ok, I do understand that I shouldn't meddle with "C:\Recovery". But If I have the suspicion there is a virus around, hiding in the file system, shouldn't I - as an administrator, no less - be allowed to at least view the contents of each folder? 
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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In Explorer, check Hidden Items on the View ribbon. Works for my hidden folders and files, just like in previous versions of Windows.
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr., P. E.
Comport Computing
Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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Member 10389821 wrote: Ughhh... Rant Over, but my frustration is not!
So, Balmer wrote a memo saying that your application should be hidden, or what?
Member 10389821 wrote: If you want to actually USE your new computer, may we recommend downgrading to Windows 7..."
If you do not like the expensive tools, we have some free ones right here
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Member 10389821 wrote: I lose my quick and easy search.
It's at the opposite corner, namely the top right corner.The first item inside the "fly out" menu is the search button.
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Shuqian Ying wrote: It's at the opposite corner
Not that is intuitive. Thankfully I don't have to deal with the abomination yet, maybe 9 will have a more sensible interface.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Urine id10t.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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While most of this is inaccurate, I understand that people have to let out steam sometimes. 
I hope we could help. Now relax, and have another look at that search function.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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I don't think it's possible to do this manoeuvre[^] in North America due to change fees (and I expect that airline will be applying one soon), but it's always nice to see someone clever in action.
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TTFN - Kent
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I booked a flight recently and then found a way to reduce my trip by one stop. However, the airline wanted $150 in change fees. That annoyed me since the trip is a month away and it would cost a few milli-cents of computer power for the airline computers to make the change. So, I did some Googling and discovered that change fees are a huge profit center:
"...in 2011 (the last full year for which statistics are available), US airlines collected nearly $3.4 billion in baggage fees while reservation change and cancellation fees in 2011 totaled over $2.38 billion."
From: http://thepointsguy.com/2013/05/higher-airline-change-fees-are-here-to-stay-united-us-airways-and-delta-all-raise-prices/[^]
I'm amazed. (I kept the old three-stop flight and told my daughter that it was just part of the adventure.)
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I thought change fees didn't apply to first class and full-fare business class tickets (which are insanely expensive)? I could be wrong - I've never flown first or full-fare business.
/ravi
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote: I've never flown first or full-fare business.
Domestic first class and business class it pretty pointless considering the price. International first class is awesome. Still not worth the money but awesome just the same. A wide comfortable seat with ample legroom and truly good food makes a trip to/from Europe almost painless.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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Agreed, domestic business and first are a joke.
All my flights are (long) international ones and I pretty much always fly BA World Traveller Plus (premium economy) which gives you more legroom and slightly wider seats in an otherwise cattle class cabin. I've had the good fortune to be upgraded to Club World (business) on several occasions, but am too poor to pay for a real business class ticket myself.
I get my kicks watching first class long haul videos posted by passengers on various airlines on YouTube.
/ravi
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote: too poor to pay for a real business class ticket myself.
I'm too cheap to pay for it too but I've gotten a few free upgrades and my company has ponied up a couple times.
BA and Lufthansa both offer excellent 1st class service.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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