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I don't know that it will be productive. I am not sure I could ever come back here again anyway. It will just never work.
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Definitely don't tell them until you secure another position. It's not so much about burning bridges backwards. Are you prepared for being out of work for a year if they say "thanks, how about you just leave now then?"
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I don't think I could make it a couple of months actually. I'm not planning on saying anything until I have the other job.
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It never hurts to keep avenues open. Particularly if you can leave in a positive way so they know what the problem is. You never know, they *might* fix it.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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OriginalGriff wrote: You never know, they *might* fix it.
In my experience NOT! 
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Dan Neely wrote: insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
- Albert Einstein
FTFY 
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If it's bad for you - move on! As fast as possible. When you feel bad it's bad for your family and friends too!!!
Don't pity your boss, he's one of the reasons...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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At first it sounds like you just want to GTFO, but then you're hesitating. So you're trying to extract some last something from that company. What?
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I am friends with a couple of they guys, and this was my first job out of college. I'm hesitant because I feel bad.
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Stop feeling. (yes yes, easier said than done, do it anyway)
Make a rational decision. That means good for you. Your first responsibility is to yourself.
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Im_no_troll wrote: I am friends with a couple of they guys,
You can still be friends with them when you leave.
I am still friends with people I have worked with 30 years ago.
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Unless your friends are part of the problem, do them a favor and get out, then try to help them get out too. Friends like that are much better than friends who just suffer alongside you.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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The other guy is leaving as well. He's been here just a bit longer than me. It puts the company back to one programmer  They need to change if they are going to retain people.
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A quick question. Have you told anyone who's in a position to do something about it that the job is toxic? If there's been an issue, you might have been able to get things sorted out just by talking to someone who probably didn't even know there was a problem.
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It's a very small company. I haven't used those exact words, but someone else has.
My manager actually says "this place is toxic" and "I think I'm goina quit" very often. The other programmer here doesn't expect to be here another 3 months. The other two are data processors, and throw temper tantrums pretty regularly.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote: anyone who's in a position to do something about it
I don't think that person exists here. There are only 2 people "above" me. One is the manager, and the other is the boss. It's a small company.
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As long as someone else is aware it's toxic then you've done all that you can. Time to move on.
Whereabouts are you based?
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A bit too far for you to commute to my company then.
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Im_no_troll wrote: My manager actually says "this place is toxic" and "I think I'm goina quit" very often
Believe him and get out of there. 
He won't hold it against you and may even be a good reference in the future if you tell him why you are leaving. After you get another job that is.
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Im_no_troll wrote: I've decided I'm moving on. I don't know how/when to tell the boss.
After you have another job.
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The assumption is it's always the boss. Sometimes it's just one or two cow orkers who tell tales, regurgitate rumors and out right lie, but they cast strife and suspicion amongst all.
Sometimes identifying who these people are and just staying away from them is all that is required for happiness.
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{dc7c68de-3931-43b9-9102-6dbe3972c5c3} wrote: identifying who these people are and just staying away from them is all that is required for happiness.
this is not allowed.
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Been there, done that, moved on, never looked back, happily ever after.
Don't feel bad for leaving, feel bad for the time lost in that place, that's what I realized as soon as I left.
modified 21-Feb-14 9:22am.
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