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Hah I'm desperately looking for an opportunity to rewrite an app completed last year to meet a tight deadline that I know is crap. Changing requirements led to exactly your type of skeleton, I have a hammer that I really need to take to it with.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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S u n s h i n e wrote: This is what comes of accruing technical debt. Coding like crazy to meet deadlines and please demanding clients
That is called IT development. Get over it.
Smile when you take the check to the bank.
I know they didn't tell you this in school, but welcome to the real world.
Once you lose your pride, the rest is easy. 
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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JimmyRopes wrote: Once you lose your pride, the rest is easy
Sig material. 
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: Sig material.
You're right, thanks.
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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Ain't it the truth we become code whores.
Along with Antimatter and Dark Matter they've discovered the existence of Doesn't Matter which appears to have no effect on the universe whatsoever!
Rich Tennant 5th Wave
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Yes, I've figured out that much. Posting here is just to dilute my sorrow by inflicting it on you folks
BTW none of my programming came from school, it was too long ago for that. Maybe I should go back to school to unlearn some of the nastier hacks I've picked up.
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S u n s h i n e wrote: Posting here is just to dilute my sorrow by inflicting it on you folks
Don't worry, as I like to say: "suffering shared is suffering diluted."
cheers, Bill
“I'm an artist: it's self evident that word implies looking for something all the time without ever finding it in full. It is the opposite of saying : ‘I know all about it. I've already found it.’
As far as I'm concerned, the word means: ‘I am looking. I am hunting for it. I am deeply involved.’” Vincent Van Gogh
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S u n s h i n e wrote: Posting here is just to dilute my sorrow by inflicting it on you folks
Don't worry; as I often say: "suffering shared is suffering diluted."
cheers, Bill
“I'm an artist: it's self evident that word implies looking for something all the time without ever finding it in full. It is the opposite of saying : ‘I know all about it. I've already found it.’
As far as I'm concerned, the word means: ‘I am looking. I am hunting for it. I am deeply involved.’” Vincent Van Gogh
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S u n s h i n e wrote: Maybe I should go back to school to unlearn some of the nastier hacks I've picked up.
The nasty hacks are why you get paid. 
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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I think you are hearing the wonderful old song "Dem Bones" (aka "Dry Bones") : [^]. The full lyrics are there, at that link. My favorite cover of that song is by the Deep River Boys whose version of "Shadrach" makes them immortal: [^].
I'm with Jimmy on strategy in this case. Be sure and practice looking horrified, astounded, revolted, etc., every time the client is present. Sobbing, and threatening suicide, because you are so ashamed of the pile of dung that the other programmers created could also be effective.
Of course, any strategy must be based, first, upon an estimate of what the client can pay
“I'm an artist: it's self evident that word implies looking for something all the time without ever finding it in full. It is the opposite of saying : ‘I know all about it. I've already found it.’
As far as I'm concerned, the word means: ‘I am looking. I am hunting for it. I am deeply involved.’” Vincent Van Gogh
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BillWoodruff wrote: any strategy must be based, first, upon an estimate of what the client can pay
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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ROTFL I certainly should start practicing all that...
Yes, that's the one, my kids love it. Here's[^] the one they mimic. The lyrics have been mangled a bit in this version.
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So, are you writing an application that by design, has its head up the rear?
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S u n s h i n e wrote: The foot bone connects to the leg bone
The leg bone connects to the knee bone...
Well doesn't that remind me of a certain game ... 
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Pretend you're a flower. Now go pollinate yourself.
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hello people, anyone tried one of those head phone, for example, these ones from Bose[^] with active noise cancellation? Does it work? I hear it's only good with steady background noises. If a baby scream all a sudden Active Noise Tech won't help much. But is this conclusion correct?
1. Active Noise technology good with steady waves forms
2. Active Noise technology not good with transient waves forms
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With a pair of these[^]steady waves are dramatically reduced, sitting in a plane is less irritating with them on. Screaming babies STILL make you cringe with them on. The whole concept is to cancel out ambient noise not make you deaf.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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What about Active Noise Cancellation Speakers (not Headphones), tried any of those?
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Swab.Jat wrote: Active Noise Cancellation Speakers
Wat - I have not even heard of them, I'm really not an audiophile.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Years ago I saw a project of one University out there that was about a really small and old car with microphones outside and inside and some new loudspeakers... a computer and a small software...
The idea was to make the old and small car sound as a Ferrari or as another car, all in all they were cancelling the real noise the car was doing and adding the noise they wanted... Of course when the driver accelerated the noise was like accelerating and so...
it was expensive but cool...
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I can't see that working well. Headphones are easy because the only place you need to get destructive interference is fixed relative to the speakers in the cans; for stand alone speakers you'd end up with the interfering waves ending up in an out of phase making both quiet and extra loud spots. 
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Have you considered the redneck version? Rather than pay over $400 for them, get a pair of earplugs for around 10¢, make holes in them and shove regular headphones through them. Blocks baby screams too, but if you are hit by a truck using them on the road, I accept no responsibility
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