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Marc Clifton wrote: Then again, the fact that anything can render the sh*t that is HTML/CSS/Javascript pretty much amazes me.
I'm at least glad we have semi-decent JavaScript debugging now. Things used to be worse.
Jeremy Falcon
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Marc Clifton wrote: Then again, the fact that anything can render the sh*t that is HTML/CSS/Javascript pretty much amazes me
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I used to use Chrome as my main browser, but it's a bit of a memory hog. Tried Firefox, but its quite cpu heavy when opening multiple pages and doesn't multi thread as well - pages lag while other load. I use Displayfusion and one of the functions it gives is to use middle click to move a maximized window to another screen on dual monitor setups. In FF this opens a new tab... annoying.
Now I'm using Opera. It seems to do better with memory use than Chrome. It has some nice features and it actually uses the same engine (Blink - the fork of Webkit) as Chrome, so a lot of things will be similar to Chrome, although it doesn't have everything Chrome has, but has some nice features of it's own. The speed dial and stash works well - I don't really use bookmarks. The only major annoyance is that middle clicking on the tab to close it also moves it to the other screen (Displayfusion feature), which Chrome doesn't do, so I'm still getting used to closing tabs using the x.
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Jacquers wrote: middle clicking on the tab to close it
I middle click to open tabs... Always use the x for closing them.
It's an OO world.
public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
{
public void DoWork()
{
throw new NotSupportedException();
}
}
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Jacquers wrote: he only major annoyance is that middle clicking on the tab to close it
Have you used the 'down and right' mouse gesture with the right button clicked? It might be a solution you like, although you could have to enable gestures in the settings.
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Didn't know about that, thx. Tried it, but I will need some practice to get it right.
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I use Opera for my internet radio. It's the only thing I use it for and I'm happy.
Chrome for everything else only because Firefox was crapping out too many times.
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I still use Opera for work-related stuff, but refuse to update past version 12, because they stripped out most of the really useful stuff (e.g. sessions), in a very "Let's go Metro!" way.
Maxthon[^] has turned into a belter for personal use. It's very quick, and not just cross-platform, it's cross-machine. i.e. I can send pages to my other computers, and open pages that are open on my other computers -- that includes work computers, if the browser's installed.
e.g. if you come across a page that would be handy at work, you can either just send it there (it will open in the browser automatically, next time it is opened), or leave it open on your home machine and pick it up (and yes, you can send to/from phones and tablets, too).
I don't know if other browsers have picked up that idea, yet, but Maxthon's had it for quite a while.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I use Message Beam[^] for that - it supports both URLs and short messages between my PC and tablet, which is very handy. Should work between two PC's, but I haven't tried it.
Since I run Chrome on both the PC and Nexus they "share" bookmarks and so forth - most of the time, updates from the tablet don't always seem to make it to the PC but PC ones always seem to get there eventually.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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That sounds like Maxie's "Sky Note" plug-in.
This is a tad simpler, in that I can just right-click on a blank bit of a web page, select "Cloud push to...", and choose which other device to open the page in.
I like simplicity; it's good for my brain.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I don't think I'm ready for Maxthon yet. I cling to the good old single desktop PC for as long as I can 
It's an OO world.
public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
{
public void DoWork()
{
throw new NotSupportedException();
}
}
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Maxthon 2 used to run off the IE ActiveX. Got much better performance than IE itself. Plus the number of (fast and useful) extensions...
It was my previous browser before they discontinued it for Maxthon 3, which I couldn't get into, and so moved to Chrome instead.
FTR, never had problem with YouTub. You can always opt into/out of the HTML5 beta for Youtube, since it's mostly designed for Chrome.
Seems like it's no longer in beta, or opty.[^]
I use it with Adblocker Plus and Ghostery extensions though. So that might get rid of buggy code as a side-effect.
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If you want a chromium based browser then use Torch (if you watch a lot of media, e.g. on YouTube) or the new Opera. If you want a non-chromium browser then go for IE (if Windows only) or Firefox (if mixed OS). Nowadays they're pretty much all good, but every browser has a quite strong side and a weak point.
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I used Opera on Win 7 desktop about 2 years ago. Then I started doing dev and started using Chrome, because the F12 tools are quite helpful. I was just considering going back to Opera to try it out again.
Two years ago there was a strange bug where Opera would double-post to facebook. The user (me) didn't know. very odd stuff.
Anyway, that's all fixed. I'm going to try Opera again too. It's quite fast itself at DOM rendering etc.
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How about a browser written entirely in Javascript[^]? If it goes wrong, you can fix it yourself! 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Richard Deeming wrote: If it goes wrong, you can fix it yourself!
You're assuming I know JavaScript 
I know a bit, but not far enough to actually code anything useful in it though
It's an OO world.
public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
{
public void DoWork()
{
throw new NotSupportedException();
}
}
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Their advertising banner runs off the side of the page (well, it's javascript; what do you expect?).
If you view the page source, it reads:
FREE --- MODULAR --- HACKABLE --- BUGGY --- SLOW AS ****
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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that is of course you are willing to accept that you are still using parts of Chrome.
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My first question is WHY?!?!
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
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When I can't use IE for incompatibility reasons, I use Pale Moon[^] ...it's a clone of FireFox optimized for PC/Windows. All the FireFox plugins work with it too including FireBug.
I agree with the poster above though...that anything that can render the dog's breakfast that is HTML/CSS/JavaScript is miraculous and the browser developers don't get much love or credit for it...
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You already mentions some of the pros and cons. You might try one of those almost 80 listed of browsers[^]. I never tried except few of them.
Wonde Tadesse
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Opera consumes lots of memory compared to firefox when you're working with many tabs. That's the one issue I have with them. Apart from that it's like any other browser. It's app store isn't as big as that of Chrome or FireFox. What I most liked about Opera was it bit torrent, which helped to pause/resume a download, which works even for a network drop. I think Chrome also offer this nowadays. Anyways, its not bad, I am using it on both my work environments, Win7 & Ubuntu 12.04 and its nice...
Piyush K Singh
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I use FireFox almost exclusively whether I'm on PC, phone, or tablet. It's not without its quirks, but it's the been the best of any of them for me.
Three things that really sold it to me:
(1) I DETEST webpages with small font sizes. I look at a computer all day long so my eyes get strained enough as it is, so the last thing I want is to make it worse by straining to read pages with small type. FireFox has a feature that allows you to zoom the text on a webpage without zooming the images so they aren't taking up ridiculous amounts of real estate on a page. I absolute love this feature and it would be very difficult to ever have to give it up.
(2) The bookmark syncing across devices in FireFox has worked far better for me than in Chrome. It seemed in Chrome I was having trouble getting bookmarks to show up.
(3) Addons. I love that I can install different addons to my android tablet that I cannot install using Chrome.
On the cons, FireFox can be a resource hog at times, although it seems to have gotten somewhat better. I'd suggest giving it another try.
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I was an avid Opera user for many years, but then they made some recent changes I was not cool with buy basically switching their original rendering engine over to chrome's, lost a lot of functionality and options. I've been using Torch for the last year and seem to be happy with it (still based on Chrome, but I like the interface better.)
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Windows: Life Without Walls[^] was, once upon a time, a marketing campaign of MicroShaft.
When I heard of this via a radio spot, I *immediately* conceived a parody commercial based upon this very marketing campaign statement, that being "Windows: Life Without Walls".
Here is that commercial, text-only version (yeah, ya gotta use yer imagination...):
Scene I
[Camera view: From 1000 feet, zooming in on a non-descript computer operating system company's office (non-descript logo on building's side) in a town not unlike that of, say, Redmond, Washington, USA]
A computer operating system employee (COSE) is getting off work, walking out to & getting into his eco-friendly car & driving off toward the nearby evergreen pine tree-laden mountains.
Scene II
[Camera view: Somewhere in the nearby evergreen forest]
COSE drives into a "clearing" amongst the evergreens, gets out and meets with a home developer who then holds up plans for a home, pointing here & there. They both nod in concurrence.
Scene III
[Camera view: from a simple distance showing most, and sometimes all, of house in various construction stages; hammering and other construction sounds in the background]
COSE & developer 20 ~ 30 feet from house, off in the nearby-distance here & there watching progress, nodding in approval.
Scene IV
[Camera view: The nearby evergreen forest where the home is being developed]
COSE, in eco-friendly car, drives into once "clearing" where now a new, bright & shiny 2-story house exists.
He gets out, the developer hands him the keys, they shake hands, and developer drives off.
Scene V
[Camera view: Just outside front door, facing front door]
COSE enters home.
[Camera view: Now inside, from larger Great Room area, facing COSE]
COSE walks into the center of the Great Room, viewing the outside "nature" through the various large windows, some nearly the height of the 2 story home.
[Camera View: From COSE's point-of-view, showing grandiose outside views through 2-story windows.]
[Camera view: back inside on COSE, 10 feet away and 10 feet high]
Camera begins to pull back and up, going "through" larger 2-story windows to the outside, up to about 200 feet high; COSE can't be readily seen; hold camera for 3 ~ 5 seconds to allow the sounds of nature to set in.
All the walls suddenly disappear, leaving just the windows suspended in mid-air, with clear view of COSE standing in the middle of them all.
Scene VI
[Camera view: about 15 feet away from and 10 feet above COSE, with several of the larger 2-story windows in the background]
COSE has exceedingly startled look on his face as to where and why in the hell all the walls just up and disappeared.
[Hold camera for 2 ~ 4 seconds while...]
COSE looks around in stuttered & confused amazement.
[A sudden mildly rushing whoosh of wind is heard, then massive breaking of glass all around as windows fall to the ground quasi-violently shattering all over the place.]
COSE puts hands/arms over head to "protect" himself, ducking down to the ground (he's far enough away he's not hurt).
After a few seconds, COSE begins to look out from under his arms, slowly standing up, hands/arms coming to in front of him (hands facing outward a little as if to be readily available once again to protect himself) all the while still in utter confused astonishment. House keys can be seen dangling in one hand.
[Camera slowly pulls back and up to about 100 feet high, showing full area of the home's foundation, and then some, with scattered broken glass everywhere.]
COSE is standing in the middle of the chaos that just occurred, looking around.
[Fade in larger-print statement.]
A Life of Windows Without Walls.
Scene VII
Fade to white.
Fade in non-descript competitor operating system company logo.
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modified 21-Jul-14 13:50pm.
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