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For crashing, android has always taken the cake for me.
If you actually have apps that are "not there when you look for them", is it possible you jailbroke, or free, low quality apps maybe? Does an apple app or anything you paid $3 do that as well? I had lots of bugs when I jailbroke and it wasn't worth the novelty. For real work purposes or even entertainment, iOS already had what I needed without jailbreaking. For my motorola I rooted it out of necessity to make the sd card work right for my needs. With my iPhone I just got extra room and didn't need the SD.
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AA 2 wrote: is it possible you jailbroke
Neither is jailbroken. And who the **** do apple think they are, putting my personal property in "jail"?
AA 2 wrote: free, low quality apps maybe?
Built-in apple apps are included in the list.
AA 2 wrote: Does an apple app or anything you paid $3 do that as well?
Yes.
AA 2 wrote: I had lots of bugs when I jailbroke
Then you must have done it wrong.
AA 2 wrote: For real work purposes or even entertainment, iOS already had what I needed without jailbreaking.
You must have an uncomplicated job and be easily amused -- and you must really enjoy plugging devices into computers to use bloatware apple "stores".
AA 2 wrote: For my motorola I rooted it out of necessity to make the sd card work right for my needs
Motorola uses Android, now, so you won't find that problem, any more. If your Motorola device was new enough to have android, you must have rooted that wrong, too.
AA 2 wrote: With my iPhone I just got extra room and didn't need the SD.
So, essentially, you paid an extra $100-200 for a $30-50 SD card that's hard wired into the machine, so can't be swapped out for another card containing different files.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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From your tone and lack of listening skills, I imagine you'll twist any response so this probably isn't worth much to you but I'll try.
I didn't pay $200 for a SD card, I paid more for a device that crashed half the time as any android I used, I didn't have to jail brake to make basic things work right, and for something with real security and privacy. The red herring on the nudies just betrays ignorance or deceit since they also mentioned pictures from other devices or services, and also explained the very bad user practices used that exposed their info, like using public security questions, easy passwords, responding to phishing and not using 2 factor auth.
Please, name this app that keeps disappearing on a non-jailbroken device that you paid $3 for or is an apple app.
Name some real work you actually get done on an android you couldn't get done on anything else...
Gimicks like copying files on and off a flash card isn't work, it's overcomplicating something you could already do with a $5 flash card...
If you don't understand how jailbreaking iOS causes bugs then you're closed off to reality. I understand if you're used to needing to root things to make it work right but you just cause yourself more problems doing so on IOS mostly and don't need to. They give you the ability to actually control your privacy or background apps and access to good updates and backups off the bat.
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Really, I do have some gripes or things I'd change on IOS and especially iTunes.
I hate ignorant misdirected "callouts" based on fantasy though. Saying Ipaid $200 for a $50 SD card is just a highly ignorant insult, ignoring the other very real features and reasons I made the overall choice. I realize things change and sometimes one will be better than the other on one thing or another, but by and large, IOS was way more stable, I didn't have to root for basic things like updates, and the whole SD and Flash thing were over-rated. Flash video and especially interactive crashed a lot. I could use my keychain flash stick that's way faster and easier than copying files back and forth from a phone (and more secure) if that's what I need SD for. IOS has plenty of share options if I need them too. The biggest plus is it's designed to actually work right without google stalking you every second. Try disabling Play and see how many apps break, knowing it's a closed source, system level spyware layer that can even give itself more permissions and pushes code silently all the time. On the other hand, IOS devices are built from the ground up around AES, hashing circuit level entropy with the passphrase with file instance keys with format instance keys, and you get the picture. You're not going to make an unauthorized useful image dump of an IOS device. You root an android device and anyone can make image dump and hack away at your password. On iOS such a think would be useless. Some android apps are (were?) a pain to configure to use SD cards right and it was slower than native drive space for big stuff anyway.
NSA was actually publicly designing android security years ago claiming it was too insecure for the public while complaining about Apple's new security. I could go on and on, but I hope I have given you enough information to understand I didn't just buy a $50 flash card for $200 (and 64 GB flash cards were more expensive than $50 and the android devices I tried couldn't read that much anyway at the time...)
Anyway, they're both pretty functional, and google subsidizing android distributions to get their spyware in people's hands does increase the whole smartphone availability and competition in general. Android is an extremely functional OS with a lot of device options, and it gives you a lot more eye candy too, just not the "features" I care as much about.
modified 12-Sep-14 10:27am.
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For 5 years or more now my wife has had a succession of iPhones and I've had three Android phones (just got my third a Moto 4G, a budget phone).
I have always had SD cards, my wife has always had no space available and had to make decisions about getting rid of things on an almost daily basis to keep using it.
I can copy whatever I want onto (and off of) my phone from wherever I want, each time my wife wants something doing to hers I have to battle with iTunes (including updating the beast to the latest version first).
I have no problems with lost calls, low call quality, or lost text messages. My wife is constantly cursing those bits which traditionally constitutes a 'phone'.
I have never had to call my service or phone provider, or take my phone into a shop, or get a diagnostic run on it. My wife on the other hand, has done both, a number of times, usually to be told to upgrade either iOS or phone, the first a great bastard battle with space and iTunes.
No-one has ever published my nude photos on the internet. OK, so it was me who published those photos of my wife*.
I can organise my phones however I want to, widgets, icons, arrange the screens in whatever order and layout I want to.
I have a back key, the single most annoying thing to me about i devices.
She has Facetime.
I don't love Android, I don't hate Apple. I have never had any problems with using Android devices, I repeatedly get frustrated trying to do things and feel like I have a complete lack of control on both iPhones and iPads.
* Not really.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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chriselst wrote: No-one has ever published my nude photos on the internet
Hah! We know it was you that left that camera on Brighton beach for Dave Gorman to find! 
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Quite, I didn't say the photos don't exist, just that they are in a none hackable store 
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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I guess it depends on what you want to do.
To me, changing app icon sizes is a novelty that does nothing for me. Eye candy.
I use a lot of apps, and with android I was constantly wrangling out what app was using what in the background.
With iOS, pausing it stopped it in it's tracks, and it's easy to choose backgrounding or not. I can control permissions by the app and function even after installing an app and see what app tried to access what.
Every work need I've had I've been able to find similar or better quality apps or functions. I have 64gb of internal SD so I don't need to copy to and fro from flash cards for my apps. I can synch files just fine and have more options than an SD card if i need. It was a pain to me, configuring some apps to work right with an SD and my last motorola pad I had to root it to get the SD to work right anyway. It could do flash but crashed so often trying i was glad to get rid of messing with it.
There are some things I'd change about iOS but as far as real power features, controlling privacy and permissions, it's pretty good. If you look at the physical hardware and software integrated AES most android phones are super primitive in terms of security. And privacy, on a google device, really...  Google play is closed source, system level, able to push code and give itself new permissions at will, silently. It's always there stalking you. Once you root it anyone can flash your data off with no password and hack away trying passwords on the backup. IOS has integrated AES keys burnt into the chip so image dumps are useless, then wraps that in a key adding entropy from your passphrase, or the simple android security part, then wraps those in file instance keys and also with a device format instance key, and there is just no comparison.
As far as nudies, common sense, any cloud, don't use public answers to security questions or 123 as your password or answer phishing questions asking for your account details..... None of the stars refuted this was the case when apple explained what happened, at least with the ones that were from apple cloud. Didn't people who reviewed the photos say some were from clouds or devices too?
modified 11-Sep-14 10:04am.
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Your wife's issues all stem from iOS being out of memory. She's keeping her phone too full. If she maintains adequate space on her phone she'll stop getting all those application crashes. I had this on my iPad. I wanted to keep all my apps and barely had any room left and it started crashing. All. THE. TIME. Plus, it was running abysmally slow. Once I decided to dump some apps (ironically because I wanted an app that wouldn't fit) it started working normally again. Haven't had any problems since.
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I honestly think the new iPhone looks great ducks for cover
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Looks aren't everything!
Oh, sorry...  ...I forgot this was an Apple product.
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My wife and I have had a series of iPhones for a number of years, starting with a used iPhone 3S. I upgraded to a 5C this summer and gave my old 3S to my daughter to use as an iPod touch. We still have the iPod touch we bought for her 5 years ago, and it still works.
For what we wanted... a phone that allows us to store and play music and use the apps we are interested in, it does exactly what we want without having issues.
Neither of us have ever used all of the space available (my old 3S with an 8G model).
So, if you have something that works for you, whatever it is, I'm happy for you.
Tim
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Tim Carmichael wrote: it does exactly what we want without having issues
For about $1200, I for sure hope it works.
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Entropy isn't what it used to.
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The real question here is : why should people buy a new phone ? The 6 has no feature that I couldn't live without. Neither had the 5 nor the 4. Maybe not even the 3GS. So my question is: why are people constantly changing their smartphones ? Especially when these thingies are about as expensive as a good laptop ?
This is nonsense. And do not get me started about impact on the environment...
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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People are already queuing for the release next week.
Some want the phone, some are planning on selling their place in the queues for more than a grand.
Absolute culty madness.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Rage wrote: Especially when these thingies are about as expensive as a good laptop ?
Both of my last two Android phones were cheap, around 200 bucks each. IF I will get myself an iPhone, I'll have it with a new contract which gives me unlimited mobile internet (something I definitely need), unlimited phone calls and SMS for about 200 bucks. I'd never buy it for the original price, a 700.- phone is way too much.
The console is a black place
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(disclaimer, I own an iPhone 5, and I'm happy with it; I have no issues with it or the apple ecosystem; I have no reason to jump ship)
People buy them (all electronic gadgets) because each new generation offer new features.
The features might be new or simply incremental. for example, phone cameras improved a lot in the last couple of years; battery life increased (not enough IMO); they are lighter even if the phones become bigger.
The hardware offer more features (new sensors of all kinds);
I have hope that the NFC support on the iPhone will help all other devices manufacturers push for more acceptance of electronic pay in more than a very limited number of stores; and the imposition of a standard for that so that all banks will offer electronic pay support.
I don't think the comparison of phones to laptops is a good one; they are two different beats; even tablets (MS's surfaces included).
Will I buy a iPhone 6 (not the plus size)? surely, now ? no, but probably around Christmas when I will be near my phone contract's end.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Maximilien wrote: no, but probably around Christmas when I will be near my phone contract's end
Exactly my point: You own an iPhone 5, perfectly working, and you will throw it away because of what : a small bunch of unnecessary features ?
The comparison with the laptop was just to bring it in focus how damn expensive the iPhones are. I cannot understand why people would keep their 10-year-old laptop (and they do, trust me, I've fixed many of them) and struggle every time they have to fire up a web browser because it lags, and in the same time get rid of the smartphone they have bought one year earlier to buy the newest which hardly has new features, let alone features that are really relevant for them. Again, this is nonsense.
I own a Samsung Galaxy S1. It simply works. I don't need no new phone every year.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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Who says the features are unnecessary ?  maybe for you.
Some people might be happy to have the new barometer sensor; new application can be written to handle it (GIS, scientific apps, bike computers, skiing computures, ...)
I would need to look at the differences between the 5 and the 5s before looking at the 6 before committing to it.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Rage wrote: why should people buy a new phone ?
Don't know about others but I buy a new phone when the old one stops working. Unsurprisingly, the old cheap "dumb" phones used to last much longer than the new shiny "smart" ones.
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Hear, hear! I have only just "upgraded" from my Nokia N95 to a Samsung. All I can say is WHY?
This Android. Has a mind of its own. It starts doing things when no one is touching it. It closes things and opens things seemingly at random. My wife's iPhone is very well behaved but both phones suffer the terrible short battery life that folk have got used to these days. Personally, I want a simple phone that makes calls, sms and does nothing else.
I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.
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I upgrade my phone because where I work has an option to receive work e-mail on the phone. However, my old one didn't meet the required minimums.
And, if I get work e-mail, I can expense a portion of my bill monthly... so, there was a financial inducement that more than covered the added expenditure.
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The iPhone is just over hyped for what it is. I have owned one for 2 years now and have the iPhone 5.
In my opinion the samsung phones are much better. The UI seems to respond more fluidly.
I see no need for me to upgrade to the iPhone 6. The current handset does more than I need or use.
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My oldest has gone through four phones since I got my Samsung flip phone 3 1/2 years ago. After breaking a Galaxy 3, she swore the iPhone 5 was the best thing ever and switched to it. Then complained endlessly about what a piece-of-crap it was. Two weeks ago, she switched to a Galaxy 5 and likes it. My ex-wife's first iPhone 3 bricked itself when being patched for the first time, her second turned into a crap-fest and she just switched to an Android based phone. Three things they both hated with iPhones were terrible battery life, iOS 7 and iTunes. As a receiver of calls, one thing I did like about the iPhone over the Galaxy is better noise cancellation, especially while on speaker-phone mode.
I still prefer my cheap, Samsung flip phone.
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Disappointing there's no mention of a Windows Phone considering they are often much more stable among other things. If you just want a phone to work then you really should be looking at WP.
If you really don't want to leave the popular choice then why not just install CyanogenMod onto the android? that will most likely fix every single problem you have with it.
FYI I've used all 3 OSes extensively and the most unproductive and troublesome devices I've ever had are iPhones. I've had plenty of problems with Samsung phones but at least they were problems you could actually solve (googling the answer, installing Cyanogen etc.) Currently my Lumia is my latest and most satisfactory device.
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