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Duncan Edwards Jones wrote: Xamarin is a high-level-language converter (to java or cocoa)
Not quite. Xamarin's technology provides C# bindings to the Java Android and Objective-C iOS and Mac API surfaces. There's no language conversion. The binding is done at run time by replacing (on Android) the Dalvik/ART VMs with their own. Which is why one can build very high performant apps for Android/iOS/Mac in C#.
/ravi
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Matt McGuire wrote: If Xamarin sponsors Mono, and Mono supports multiple languages (not just C#) why wouldn't Xamarin?
If McDonald's sponsors the Olympic Games, and the Olympic Games support throwing javelins, then why can't you throw javelins in your local McDonald's outlet? 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Well you can, just not so sure it's a good idea.
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It's an excellent idea.
Let's arrange that for the next CP Get-together?
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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I agree, I wonder if I'll actually get what I ordered, if I'm holding a javalin? Who am I kidding, it'll still be wrong..
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
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There's your big mistake: Holding it is no use. Spear a few of the buggers to incentivize the remainder.
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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It's McDonald's; even if you get exactly what you asked for, it would still be wrong.
You do know their "100% Beef burgers" contain a mixture of cow eyeballs and worm meat[^]? They're only allowed to call them "100% Beef burgers" because the small amount of beef they contain comes from a company called "100% Beef Company". 
Link[^] for the gullible fools who thought that was real! 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
modified 5-Nov-14 15:35pm.
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Richard Deeming wrote: It's McDonald's; even if you get exactly what you asked for, it would still be
wrong.
I imagine the same could be said of most fast food places and a lot of non-fast food places, the all mighty dollar wins every time.
[edit]
DOH! said the gullible fool  
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
modified 5-Nov-14 15:40pm.
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Damn, you didn't fall for it.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Back in the day in London I got kicked out of a hotel by a psychotic manager at five in the morning. Turned up at the Charing Cross Mickey Dee, with the duvet I'd nicked and my backpack.
It was December.
I ordered a Big Breakfast.
The manager told me to take a seat, and he'd bring my meal over.
He called me 'sir'.
I don't know about youse guys, but I'm lovin' it.
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Quote:
Maybe for once someone will call me "sir" without adding, "You're making a scene."
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Xamarin is specifically a Visual Studio plug-in that allows the .NET community to write cross-platform applications. Xamarin has only ever been intended to work with .NET.
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare
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Dominic Burford wrote: Xamarin is specifically a Visual Studio plug-in that allows the .NET community to write cross-platform applications.
Not quite. You don't need Visual Studio to build Android, iOS and Mac apps using Xamarin.
/ravi
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Come to that, you don't need VS to build C# apps for windows either...the .NET framework ships with csc.exe
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Matt McGuire wrote: If Xamarin sponsors Mono, and Mono supports multiple languages (not just C#) why wouldn't Xamarin?
I believe Xamarin has focused on C# and F# because of the strong integration with Microsoft's tooling. I expect to see a stronger partnership between the two companies, perhaps even an acquisition[^].
Matt McGuire wrote: I've avoided C# thus far
Nothing wrong with that. However, if you're in the Microsoft space, there are several advantages to using C# over C or C++ (more than can be fit into this post). For me (being a C# developer), Xamarin provides the ability to be productive writing Android code a lot faster than using Java (in which I'm proficient) and Eclipse/XStudio. It also allows me to build for iOS/Mac without the need to learn (and work around) Objective-C.
However, I can see why native Java and Objective-C devs would have little interest in learning C# to use Xamarin to build their apps. Java/Eclipse,XStudio and ObjectiveC/XCode are well suited tools for building apps for their respective platforms.
/ravi
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What about ... dare I say it ... VB (gasp).
Or Fortran.NET .... COBOL.NET.
I've mentioned COBOL 3 times this week. I fear my account may get deleted.
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I have respected COBOL diploma somewhere. Never coded a single line of it outside of that course though.
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I recently did some VB.NET work. For a few days, close together, a year it's not that bad.
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I know, I use VB not C#.
But there are those here that just LOVE their curly braces and semicolons. It's a bit like Catholics and heaven - they like to think they're the only ones here!
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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PhilLenoir wrote: I've mentioned COBOL 3 times this week.
Identification, environment, data, procedure... ah... fond memories. 
/ravi
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Exactly, lots of developers know and use VB (although getting constantly slammed for language choice gets tiring). With VB.net and C# being functionally equivalent, and compiling to the same IL; why not add it?
I've actually had a COBOL book sitting in my wish list on amazon for the last 6 months now, temped to buy it and learn something new (old?  )
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I try to ignore it. Much of the banter is meant in good humour. I've lived through many variations of technology prejudice.
At Uni, much of my study was using C and Unix. My first job was in a VMS shop (bah! Unix, bunch of hackers!) They were horrified when I added some shell script batch commands to unixify my environment (removing a directory was painful under VMS, to say nothing of DIR *.*;* and deleting all versions of a file!).
Dos => Windows - "All I need is a C prompt!"
My involvement with VB was VB3. As a dyed in the wool C guy, it was a bit of a joke. Except it wasn't. It was great for prototyping and building user interfaces. With VB4 and OO (sort of) we were off to the races and I became a convert.
I later did a project with a C++ programmer who had coded VB6 like C++ and the performance was awful and the code lengthy. After I sorted it out, he became a convert too.
Tools have their strengths and weaknesses. Plain C is truly dangerous, although what you can sometimes achieve with 3 lines of code ... C# clearly doesn't have the issues that C has, it's a great tool but I personally don't like the style. The truth is that, generally, we prefer the tool we are most familiar with (shortcomings and all!)
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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I sponsored a guy to run a marathon, but I'll be buggered if I'll let him do it in my house.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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