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Mark_Wallace wrote: ten twenty bytes
FTFY.
For C#, that is.
Your time will come, if you let it be right.
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Hmm. To the naked eye, it looks the same in utf-8, too.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I'm curious now what they have put in there, and feeling like a trial run might be in order before I go and muck up his shiny new computer. I've got an extra Win8.1 laptop that I can test it on. Give me a few hours and I'll see if I can find the pork bacon. 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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I looked online and the trial version of Ultimate is a DVD9 image as well. The one I have is from my old MSDN sub. So apparently, there's something extra in all versions you can download over the public web.
Jeremy Falcon
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So, I'm installing onto a Win8.1 system and these the installable components listed.
0: Blend
1: MFC Classes for C++
2: SQL Server Data Tools ?
3: MS Web Developer Tools
4: Tools for Maintaining Store Apps for Win8
5: Silverlight Development Kit
6: Windows Phone 8.0 SDK
This laptop already had SQL 2012 and 2014 installed, so I'm not sure I'll be able to tell what SQL Server Data Tools are part of the install...Install is running...we'll see. 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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That is huge... Why doesn't he start to learn with gcc/g++? ...I would think that's a better place to start that with a big IDE. If you browse the questions (relating to the VS) on this website, a lot of them are due to people not understanding what the IDE is doing for them.
Anywho, that is huge... but I guess people have little incentive to make packages small with storage getting cheaper.
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Albert Holguin wrote: Why doesn't he start to learn with gcc/g++?
He actually asked about C since that was the last language that he worked with back in the late 80's, so I was really targeting the c++ feature...then figured, wte, he has a new computer with more space and horsepower than he'll ever need, so just install everything, and this seemed to fit the bill.
Albert Holguin wrote: people have little incentive to make packages small with storage getting cheaper
Very true!, add 'unlimited bandwidth' to the mix.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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Well I've used VS a lot over the years and definitely think it's one of the best products to come out of MS. With that said though, recently it seems like they're just putting out versions just to charge for upgrades (which makes me start to dislike VS).
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kmoorevs wrote: WTE have they packaged into this thing?
A LOT.
Now, I do have some hobby-projects at home but those are being built using SharpDevelop. One can run that from USB, it's light and pretty quick.
..because at home I do not need a state-of-the-art IDE; there's no TFS to integrate, no IIS to contact, no EF6 nor MMMVC9 in my projects. All that's required there is some simple way of building, some syntax highligting and that's about it. MonoDevelop would even do the trick
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Yeah man, we're getting too convoluted for our good. Thar be genius and elegance in simplicity. I hoping it's a lot of docs shipped with it. The thought of using 35 different frameworks for Hello World seems rather daunting.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: The thought of using 35 different frameworks for Hello World seems rather daunting
Don't forget at least two Design Patterns and a Methodology! 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Shoot. You just shifted my paradigm. 
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Well run it up the flagpole, and see if anyone salutes it!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Yeah man, we're getting too convoluted for our good
That's not what I said; I wouldn't want to do the azure-project at work using SharpDevelop. There's lots of WinForms, there's TFS (wouldn't dare to do without at work), the ability to shelve stuff, gated checkins, opening a mini-dump that someone made with the taskmanager (!), third-party addins (like a resource-editor that is a bit more complex than the default one) and lots more.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: Thar be genius and elegance in simplicity.
That, to me, is Visual Studio.
Write a visual file-editor, and plug it in there. Write your own TFS, hook it up. Seriously, there's an example in the VS-SDK. I don't think you can give all that power in a simpeler form. For the beast that it is, it is genius.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: The thought of using 35 different frameworks for Hello World seems rather
daunting.
You're not required to use all the file-extensions in Notepad++. If you want to stop at "txt", than that is supported too.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: That's not what I said;
Wait no... I'm not going through this again with you. You really need to get out more. Meet people man. Learn some social skills.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: I'm not going through this again with you.
Ah, you're a veteran? 
Jeremy Falcon wrote: You really need to get out more. Meet people man.
There more people I meet, the more cynical I get. I call it experience.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: Learn some social skills.
You're not just saying that because I like the VS-IDE?
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: There more people I meet, the more cynical I get. I call it experience.
Cynicism and over-critical defensiveness expressed as a result of not really engaging in what's being really said in the first place are not one and the same.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: You're not just saying that because I like the VS-IDE?
No. It's because of your lack of tact.
For the record, I too like VS. Yet, I still think 7GB is bloated.
Jeremy Falcon
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: I do not need a state-of-the-art IDE; there's no TFS to integrate, no IIS to contact, no EF6 nor MMMVC9
Nor in most of what I do.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: some syntax highligting
Nope, not even that.
I just want Turbo C#. 
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I downloaded the VS 2015 CTP this weekend and it is also about that large. I copied it to a USB backup drive thingy.
To make matters worse, I tried the same with SQL Server 2014 and it refused to run unless I burned it to a DVD. 
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kmoorevs wrote: 'the file is too large for the destination file system' 
Just set the File System to NTFS. Problem solved.
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Format the darn stick as NTFS. Fat32 only supports 4 gb file size.
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Tend to agree, Microsoft needs to peel back the installer and downloader with options, do we need SQL Server, no!, do we need C++, no!, do we need this shite, no!, what we want is options and it compiles runs and delivers package, don't care about the other stuff.
On the other side, I've got beaglebone, (intention is .net) and tried to download pre windows 10 version which over 8 gig (as you have to build yourself or package it), flick, that's bleep##, umm do need all that rubbish, just want the arm code, and not as an image, all I want is to add my drivers for i/o, a/d etc.. to the build, Flick how difficult can student make it! , don't want the the rubbish!
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An other option is to unpack the iso to an external (flash) drive, using 7-zip or something like that. Then it will fit on other filesystems too.
Joop Muis
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Thanks for the experience. I only have three words to say:
MOVE TO PYTHON!
Quickly!!
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You can copy it to your USB-stick. You only have to 'unzip' your ISO-file and then copy the unzipped folder to your USB-stick; you'll see it'll work.
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