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Have you used a MacBook?
I've been using one as my primary development machine and it's the best Windows machine I've ever had. Bar none.
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Chris Maunder
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I have. Let's just say that our experiences couldn't be further apart... It was the worst programming experience I ever had after Crystal Reports and DevForce 
Well, to tell you the truth I worked on someone else's machine and none of us had really taken the time to learn the tools 
But no matter how awesome you think Apple is they still aren't exactly famous for being able to run all software out there.
I think this rage comic explains it better[^]
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You were running MacOS? I run Windows on Bootcamp. Much nicer.
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Chris Maunder
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Wait, I read your original message wrong. I read MacOS doesn't support Bootcamp (what I wanted to read ), but yeah I used MacOS.
Why would you buy a Mac and then use Windows on it though? You can buy the same Windows PC for half that money 
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Sander Rossel wrote: Why would you buy a Mac and then use Windows on it though
Because the MAcBook Air is the best Windows laptop I've ever bought.
(and no, you can't really buy the equivalent for half the money once you start comparing apples with apples. I thought I could too, but was surprised at the price parity)
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Chris Maunder
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Well as long as it keeps CP up and running I don't really care what you use 
After my previous Mac experiences I don't think I'll ever become a fan
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Chris Maunder wrote: and no, you can't really buy the equivalent for half the money once you start comparing apples with apples. I thought I could too, but was surprised at the price parity
Really? Well I don't know about the laptops so I'll take your word for it.
But in the desktop area last I checked that 'pc is half the price of an apple' was pretty accurate (k might not be exactly half the price but...)
Disclamer: last I checked was 8 years ago so much may have changed
Either way I think I'll stick with putting my own pc's together. It has served me well, last pc lasted 9 years (without having to re-install or any issues at all) and the only thing that broke at the end was the ssd (but I figured I'd replace the whole thing at once  )
Tom
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You can get cheap laptops, and even cheaper PCs, but when you star asking for 256GB SSDs, i7s, really long batter life and lightweight, the costs quickly converge to "lots", no matter which brand.
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Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: (and no, you can't really buy the equivalent for half the money once you start comparing apples with apples. I thought I could too, but was surprised at the price parity
Of course not, making better laptops as pretty as the macbook air got to be expensive.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
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You are largely incorrect, it runs more than windows, since windows last I checked won't run OSX, but OSX will run Windows, and Apple hardware will run MS Windows, so exactly what was your issue? It sounds like you were trying to dev for windows on OSX, or doing a side project on OSX itself, otherwise your tools would have been the same.
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I was trying to make an application using PhoneGap on OSX using XCode (horrible editor!).
It was quite different than on Windows and not for the better.
Back in the days, when I was still playing games, Apple wasn't even a choice, it just didn't run games.
And I'm not going to get an Apple to run everything on Windows inside Apple
I'm sure Apple has good points too, I guess I just haven't found them yet (or I'm not open to find them) 
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Windows can run OSX, not that it's allowed (nor the best idea), but it can be done.
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Silly boy!
Apple was "The Great Satan" long before the US.
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Nah, that's adobe.
Apple can't even be best at being worst.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I thought Mac's didn't get viruses
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Burn, lol!
Cold Turkey...
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Ohhh - is it one of the new haptic-feedback ones?
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No - the 13" Pro isn't much better than then Air (apart from the screen) and is heavier / lower battery life. I tried the haptic feedback and, well, it's a touch sensor that doesn't move but gives you a tickle when you press it.
It's...OK, but a little weird. You'd stop noticing it after about a minute.
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Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: the 13" Pro isn't much better than then Air (
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Are we talking 13" v 13" or the 11" air?
On the 13" the pro is only .1 inch thicker, and 0.23 pounds heavier, has faster processor (2.7 vs 1.6 GHz) faster graphics processor, more Ram (as standard and upgradable maximum) a retina display vs 1440x900, an HDMI port as well as an extra Thunderbolt port .. and the funky touchpad!
The battery is only rated at 2 hours more (12 vs 10 hours wireless browsing, and identical iTunes movie playback)
and costs $400 more (AU) 
I guess for you jetsetters, the extra portability is important.
But I want a buzzy touchpad!!!!
(I'm disappointed in your review of the touchpad - my local apple store is a little too far away to just pop in and try one - but perhaps I will make the trip!)
... and Hardly Normals have 2 years nothing-to-pay interest-free on apples at the moment, but I don't think they have the new models yet.
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13" vs 13". CPU is faster in the Pro, but only dual core in the 13". I tried a 13" Pro for a week and for what I do (Visual Studio, SQL Server, and Outlook with a 30GB PST), the extra CPU power made barely any difference (except the fan was even noisier, if possible, than the Air). I returned it.
The trackpad is a fine trackpad - Apple make the best (and I've tried many, many trackpads). It just didn't blow me away like Apple wanted. It's..."nice".
My conclusion with the Pro was:
1. It was too heavy
2. It was crazy expensive
3. The effective vertical resolution was 800px vs the Air's 900px (though you obviously could get more going non-native)
4. It was barely faster than the MacBook Air.
5. It didn't have anywhere near the battery life of the MacBook Air
The latest update has helped with battery life, and I do miss 16GB vs 8GB, but I still went for the Air. 2X SSD speed compared to the old will make a HUGE improvement.
I have a 21" iMac, quad core, and my SSD equipped Air runs rings around it due to the HDD instead of SSD in the iMac.
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Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: I have a 21" iMac, quad core, and my SSD equipped Air runs rings around it due to the HDD instead of SSD in the iMac.
Do what I did.
Grab a Seagate Portable Thunderbolt Adapter (was AUD$114 when I bought it - exchange rate hike has made it more expensive from here!)[^]
Grab an SSD - whichever takes your fancy
Grab some bluetack
Grab a thunderbolt cable
Use a blob of bluetack under the drive to keep it level on the adapter (which is designed for Seagate's enclosed drive) and stick it behind your Mac
Now either migrate your HD to SSD or (what I did) install Yosemite on the SSD and re-install just the stuff you want - while leaving the internal drive for less frequently accessed stuff.
makes it feel like a new machine for a couple of hundred bucks!
I can't believe I didn't do it earlier - Thunderbolt external SSD can be actually (slightly!) faster than an internal one! (I read it on the interwebs, so it must be true!)
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Actually, I bought one of these[^]
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Chris Maunder
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Nice - from a neatness POV - but slow as all hell compared to a Thunderbolt SSD (95MB/s vs around 450 MB/s)
Does it work OK in an iMac? The page is v specific about working on the laptops, but no mention of iMacs that I could see.
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I just popped it out of my MAcbook and into my iMac and yep, works fine.
(and yeah - a little slower However, I need it for space, not speed)
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Chris Maunder
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D'you know if you can boot off it? I'm quite tempted for my 21" if its bootable
actually, forge that - it's too slow isn't it - it wold be slower than the HD in there already!
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