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Shuqian Ying8-Jul-15 15:46

Shuqian Ying

8-Jul-15 15:46

A coder tends to use "fill in" but a manager want it to be "fill out"ed ...?

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BobbyStrain8-Jul-15 18:14

BobbyStrain

8-Jul-15 18:14

When in doubt, use "complete". The reader can then make her own interpretation.
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EbenRoux8-Jul-15 22:52

EbenRoux

8-Jul-15 22:52

Hi Sander,

In Afrikaans we also use "invul". But the more correct Afrikaans would be "voltooi" for a form of some sort. So I would go with "complete" for a questionnaire. So it is probably going to depend on the context Smile | :)

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Freak309-Jul-15 1:02

Freak30

9-Jul-15 1:02

In German we use "ausfüllen" for forms, which in principle means close the gaps so that it's completely filled in the end.

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agolddog9-Jul-15 3:31

agolddog

9-Jul-15 3:31

I think these are idiomatic phrases; there's no particular sense to the meaning of the specific words as an entity; native speakers have developed this phrase over time which people just understand the meaning.

So, there's not a way to take phrase 1 from Dutch and translate it word-for-word; it's more about figuring out the context and replacing the entire phrase.

I was told by a Dutchie a couple years ago about 'kip' and playing cards like a chicken, but it didn't mean afraid like English would take chicken. I can't remember exactly, but it was more like being nonsensical.

Sander Rossel9-Jul-15 3:40

9-Jul-15 3:40

Playing cards like a chicken? Never heard of that one before Laugh | :laugh:

I'm not about translating word for word, I understand the English language well enough not to do that Smile | :)

But still, 'fill in' and 'fill out' makes no sense at all.

We have stuff like that in Dutch too though!
One of my favorite phrases to literally translate is "that shall be me a sausage!", which is what the Dutch say when they really don't care about something Laugh | :laugh:

Sounds so stupid in English, yet makes perfect sense in the Netherlands Wink | ;)

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90823659-Jul-15 4:17

9082365

9-Jul-15 4:17

Sander Rossel wrote:
"that shall be me a sausage!", which is what the Dutch say when they really don't care about something

Do the Dutch have a particular disregard for sausages then? Clearly this would not go down well in Britain where we use 'water off a duck's back' for the same meaning.

English is full of totally contradictory expressions which actually mean the same thing and make the choice of 'in' and 'out' a very minor matter indeed. Puzzle instead how 'slim chance' and 'fat chance' can possibly both mean something isn't going to happen in a million years or 'flammable' and 'inflammable' both warn you to keep something away from the fire! Then you can really mess your brain up with how steep upward slopes in this green and pleasant land came to be called 'downs' and 'head over heels' came to be the standard expression for lifting your heels over your head!

Sander Rossel9-Jul-15 4:37

9-Jul-15 4:37

I'm always amazed by ordinary and extraordinary.
Ordinary is just something common, in the Netherlands it even has a negative feel to it. If someone is ordinary he or she has no class or style.
Now if you are EXTRA ordinary you're everything but ordinary! How did that happen? Big Grin | :-D

And we use the words in Dutch too (spelled a little different), but with the same meaning: common and amazing Laugh | :laugh:

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90823659-Jul-15 5:53

9082365

9-Jul-15 5:53

'Extra' in that case doesn't mean 'more' but 'outside' as in extra-terrestrial, extraneous etc. It's actually the meaning of 'extra' as a separate word that's extraordinary. Used as a prefix it always means, 'out', 'beyond' etc.

Sander Rossel9-Jul-15 5:58

9-Jul-15 5:58

You deserve a medal for explaining that to me!
It was one of those life questions that kept me up at night Big Grin | :-D

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Dan Sutton9-Jul-15 6:55

Dan Sutton

9-Jul-15 6:55

It translates literally as "having been filled in" - "in" is "in; "vuld" is "filled" and the "ge" part is the "been" (sort of). In German, "Abgefickt" would be "f***ed up" or literally "having been f***ed with/to/up" -- similar construction (note the "ge")...

Sander Rossel9-Jul-15 7:01

9-Jul-15 7:01

Yeah, but that wouldn't make sense Wink | ;)

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Dan Sutton9-Jul-15 7:06

Dan Sutton

9-Jul-15 7:06

Well, probably not if it were translated directly, word for word - but most things don't: you have to try to get the sense of it and do an idiomatic translation.

In this case, "filled in" or "fill in" would be the phrase to use, depending on which one fits better in English.

SeattleC++9-Jul-15 6:59

SeattleC++

9-Jul-15 6:59

Both can be correct. When a house burns down, it burns up.

Sander Rossel9-Jul-15 7:00

9-Jul-15 7:00

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OriginalGriff8-Jul-15 5:16

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8-Jul-15 5:16

If you are attacked by clowns, should you go for the juggler?

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Sander Rossel8-Jul-15 5:21

8-Jul-15 5:21

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Nagy Vilmos8-Jul-15 5:25

Nagy Vilmos

8-Jul-15 5:25

Been reading your copy of Monster Fun Grimoire again?

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R. Giskard Reventlov8-Jul-15 5:29

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8-Jul-15 5:29

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Corporal Agarn8-Jul-15 5:50

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8-Jul-15 5:50

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Ron Nicholson8-Jul-15 5:52

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8-Jul-15 5:52

There have been some good ones, but this very well may be the

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Mike Hankey8-Jul-15 6:02

Mike Hankey

8-Jul-15 6:02

A career as a clown is a direct result of disobeying ones mother at a young age when she warns that if you continue to make that face it will be permanent.

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