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Hmm... OK, fair enough. Then if I go eat bad food (the 'other' guys) and it makes me sick then I shouldn't have to pay my doctor, right? After all, it wasn't MY fault so I shouldn't take responsibility for having it fixed? That is, essentially, what you're saying here, isn't it?
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Marc Clifton wrote: Because of bugs in the operating systems and applications that we do pay for.
I need more qualification to agree to that.
The ability to install software on a computer would seem pretty necessary. But when someone clicks on something that they shouldn't and it ends up installing something malicious it doesn't require any "bugs" to do it.
Now when they do that inside a demilitarized zone and that software then uses a bug in some older software to spread itself in the network, even though the users of the internal network made an informed decision to not update the software because it was in a safe zone is that also due to a "bug"?
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Good luck creating all that free AV software mate.
You're going to have a blast.
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Programs that require a reboot, fine. Programs that FORCE a reboot ("your computer will shut down in 10 minutes, please save your work"), well, that software gets immediately removed, never to be used again by me.
And of course, the frosting on the cake was, after it rebooted and there was a new version of AVG, I tried the "speed up your computer" thing and AVG crashed.
Gone. Removed. Good riddance, AVG.
I used to use Avast years ago, trying it out again as a replacement. Don't really feel like paying for Kaspersky (they don't seem to have a free version) and don't really trust something with Russian sounding name anyways. And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay for.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay for.
It's a brave man who comes to Code Project and suggests that developers shouldn't be rewarded for their work! It's that kind of thing that turns developers into virus makers in the first place!
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Member 9082365 wrote: It's that kind of thing that turns developers into virus makers in the first place!
Are you implying that open source software is virus? 
Marc
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You may very well think that ... I, of course, couldn't possibly comment!
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Member 9082365 wrote: kind of thing that turns developers into virus makers in the first place
While there still may be a segment of the virus creators who do it because of emotional dysfunctions of one sort or another, I think the vast majority today have a purely economic motive.
They are in it to steal from you, everything from your computing resources (CPU cycles, disk space, and network bandwidth) to your economic identity. They are well-paid professionals in a gray market business. I've lost count of the number of stories I've seen in IT news relating how companies use malware techniques to promote their business (Sony comes to mind).
Software Zen: delete this;
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Here, Here !!!
See my reply to the "AV software should be free" section above...
Steve Naidamast
Sr. Software Engineer
Black Falcon Software, Inc.
blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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Marc Clifton wrote: And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay for.
Same should apply to condoms.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Same should apply to condoms.
Amen to that.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay
for.
I have to ask why not?
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Marc Clifton wrote: . Don't really feel like paying for Kaspersky (they don't seem to have a free version) and don't really trust something with Russian sounding name anyways.
Good call. Our company put Kaspersky on our machines and nearly everyone had a problem with it blocking something and slowing everything down. Luckily, most of us could uninstall it.
Terrible.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Do you even need AV at all?
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He will now! 
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harold aptroot wrote: Do you even need AV at all?
I wondered about that. It did maybe once a year pop up with some malware threat discovered.
Marc
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I stick with Microsoft's own Security Essentials, even knowing it's rated rather poorly these days.
Frankly as far as I'm concerned, as long as I'm not running without an AV altogether, and it's lightweight enough to do its thing and leave me alone, that's really all I want. I keep my systems up to date and like to think I'm following common-sense practices, and I've yet (in my 20+ year career as a software developer) to have a virus actually running loose on any of my own machines.
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Marc Clifton wrote: And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay for.
Can you elaborate on that ? How should AV companies earn money then ?
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By accepting bribes from malware makers, duh
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Marc Clifton wrote: And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay for.
I'd word that a bit differently...
"I think operating systems should be built securely enough that they don't need 3rd party anti-virus software."
Contrary to popular belief, nobody owes you anything.
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Mike Mullikin wrote: I'd word that a bit differently...
Exactly. See my other post replying to the mass of "why free?" questions I'm getting. 
Marc
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Maybe this[^]?
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: Maybe this[^]?
I'll try that on my laptop. Last time I tried it, I didn't have a pleasant experience.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: I didn't have a pleasant experience.
I had a number of bad experiences with the old XP versions on friends / family computers (that I had the honor of working on) where it became corrupted and was VERY difficult to uninstall. Not quite the level of trying to uninstall Symantec junk - but close. 
Contrary to popular belief, nobody owes you anything.
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Marc Clifton wrote: And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay for.
...and you'll get what you paid for...
Everyone needs to make money somehow, I don't mind paying for software if I get a good product and a decent amount of support (updates, patches, etc). Of course, what you charge should be reasonable for your expected users.
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