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dandy72 wrote: I'd love to hear how one of those conversations go
I think "badly" is the answer! 
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my god, I have to actually install Visual Studio and work in an IDE? No way. I want to work from the command line for development, and if you want to use C# for the back end, I'm not going to help you.
Yes indeed, I heard that on Friday from a Linux guy who is trying to push for a Django / Python back end at the company I'm working at.
F***ing script-kiddies.
Marc
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I have no respect for developers who claim they couldn't possibly develop without the latest IDE and related tools. Do more with less.
I use Visual Studio only when I need to (WinForms and SSIS), but all my other C# I do old-school*. And I prefer to do primarily back-end, library, utility stuff.
I can send him a copy of the simple IDE I wrote -- I use it for C#, C, and VB. I'm sure it can do other languages (basically all you need to do is tell it how to call the compiler). (Sorry, no article is forthcoming at this time.)
* No syntax highlighting, no code folding, no debugger, no designer, no intellisense, no real-time syntax checking, just raw like a chopped panhead yo.  Like turbo C, except Turbo C has a debugger.
modified 1-Aug-15 22:10pm.
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I've been using screwdrivers to push in nails and make holes in walls for a very long time. Many times it's just easier.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: I've been using screwdrivers to push in nails and make holes in walls for a very long time. Many times it's just easier.
That's like admitting you code in basic.
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Hardly ever. And it's BASIC, you heathen.
And BASIC is still easier to use than COBOL and Fortran.
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Hey I've got an Atari 800 with 32K RAM and cassette tape backup if anyone is interested. I'll throw in the BASIC cartridge for free even! 
"... having only that moment finished a vigorous game of Wiff-Waff and eaten a tartiflet." - Henry Minute
"Let's face it, after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!" - gavindon
Programming is a race between programmers trying to build bigger and better idiot proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots, so far... the universe is winning. - gavindon
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Oh, now you've stepped in it...
I have a MicroVAX 3100 (circa 1986) with 8MB RAM and two 1GB HDDs and VAX BASIC installed.
VAX BASIC V3.9-000
Ready
print 6*7
42
Ready
10 for i = 1 to 10
20 print "Hello, world!"
30 next i
runnh
Hello, world!
Hello, world!
Hello, world!
Hello, world!
Hello, world!
Hello, world!
Hello, world!
Hello, world!
Hello, world!
Hello, world!
Ready
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That's some serious storage you got there; I remember my first PC had a 40MB hard drive and that was plenty.
I also remember coding in "Machine Code" on my speccy.
And yes, I'm aware this is starting to turn into the Monty Python 4 Yorkshiremen sketch[^].
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I can't resist. My first machine was a Commodore Vic-20... with 3.5K of user RAM and built in BASIC.
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Luxury! I had a TRS-80 with no tape drive and a broken game cartridge slot. Literally all I could do with it was type in BASIC programs that would disappear as soon as I switched it off.
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I had a KIM-1 with 4 KB memory. No disk, no tape. Just a hex keypad and a 6 X 7 segment display. After an hour of hand keying in the program you could play Hunt the Wumpus!
There are 10 kinds of people in the world.
Those who understand binary and those who don't.
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In my first programming class we had these workstations with an 8080A, an octal keypad, and 3 rows of 8 LEDs (with pin-outs if you wanted to be fancy and wire up a 7-segment). I can't seem to find it on Google, though.
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My first computer (actually my employers) was a Burroughs main frame (!) with 9.6k memory, no disk, mag tapes, no operating system.
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My first computer was a simple Base 10 analog machine. It had 2 parts attached to the end of my arms. I still have it and use it when I don't want to be bothered with an IDE to hammer screws in or pound nails with a screwdriver.
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I think that should be classed as 'digit'al, not analogue.
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Fingers? You were lucky to have fingers. Luxury!
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I used a similar set up called a D5 if I remember right, 6802 based though
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I can't resist as well...
My first computer was a Sinclair ZX-81, with the 16KB add on memory module. That and a realistic cassette deck were all that were needed to ensure productivity never faltered.
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I can't resist as well: started with a PDP-8 with 8kB Memory (real magnetic rings with 4 wires...) and punch tape.
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Me too! 70s kids REPRESENT!
(I was pretty jealous later when all my friends got Commodore 64s. 
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Whoa! With that sort of advanced capability, you'll even be able to run "Adventure For The Stupid" (tm):
10 print "You are in a cave..."
20 line input I$
30 goto 10
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Proceed with care! Antiques may be worth more than you think!
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need,
when their violent passions are spent?
- The Lost Horizon
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Hey. KSS, remember?
If you're going to use words like B@@@C then take it to the SoapBox
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