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Munchies_Matt wrote: The US? If you like life cheap and cheerful then sure, California is the place.
I think for the US (and access to sea and hills/mountains) it'd probably have to be California. Not sure what area though?
Canada - I'm guessing Totonto would be the natural choice, but don't know much about how things are there, or if it's easy to get out and do things. The cold isn't too much of an issue if winter sports are on the cards 
NZ - I've seen a few companies. IT/software are on their list of upcoming industries/skills in need and the outdoor opportunities are a big plus.
Aus - seems popular, but is it getting too popular?
At the moment I'm a contractor, current assignment is in finance but I'd prefer to be doing something else after this stint's up
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California? I guess in certain places, the place is falling apart and has been for some time. Can't complain about the weather if you are close enough to the coast. Other than that, most of the state is semi-arid to arid.
A lot of California moved to Arizona (lived in Tucson in the early 80s), and it's a crime what they did to a perfectly good desert state. The bumper sticker at the time was "Don't Californicate Arizona". The same thing happened to Colorado and is now happening to Texas, but there are a lot more Texans, so I have hope for the Lone Star State.
I have clients in California, so most of the time I go there its on business. It's nice, if you can afford to live there. It sounds like you are more into a life style change rather than a career expanding move. That usually points you away from the hot spots of development (Silicon Valley, New York, Boston - all high cost of living or long commutes). Sounds like what you are looking for is a 4 season climate, relative short drives?
Best of luck on your search.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Well i was only thinking California because of the companies around SF (I don't imagine getting into Google or the like, but there are probably a lot of smaller tech firms around?)..
charlieg wrote: Sounds like what you are looking for is a 4 season climate, relative short drives?
Yep, pretty much. Somewhere nice/safe to bring up a family, things to do outdoors, that kind of thing. Is there anywhere like that in the US?
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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All over the place. Most of the US is empty. 
You've just described small town Americana. The areas of the country vary so widely, it would be like a kid in the candy shop. Sounds like you are a lot like me, I'm north of Atlanta, close to the Appalachians (about an hour). I'd call it 3 1/2 seasons, as we normally don't get a lot of snow/ice. How we react to snow/ice is legendary insanity.  The entire Atlanta area is a changing mix of demographics. So many people have moved here from the north. I'm blessed with having a commute time of between 1 and 20 minutes. 1 min if I work at home, 20 if I drive local streets to my customer's plant.
Now, if you were to buy in one place and work in another, you would have to factor in commute times. For example, if I had to work midtown, I would just plan on leaving for work well before 6am. It would be a 30 minute drive but freeway speeds.
I'm not pushing Atlanta by any means. I'd buy an Atlas and start studying. I grew up in North Carolina, just up the road. If I had a dream place, it would be near the coast (I love to sail). If you can keep your expenses down (like not needing a 400K house), there are jobs all over the place.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Yeah, I'm not really a city guy but don't mind living within commutable distance
It's just a case of getting to grips with which areas are good or bad, in terms of work and general lifestyle.
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: Somewhere nice/safe to bring up a family, things to do outdoors, that kind of thing. Is there anywhere like that in the US?
I haven't lived there myself, but North Carolina might be a good place to look. There's several good cities to live in and a decent amount of tech jobs sprouting up due to the presence of some highly ranked universities (Duke, UNC).
You've got the coast on the east side, and the Appalachian Mountains on the west side.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Thanks, I'll take a look - charlieg mentioned Atlanta and North Carolina too link[^]
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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In California you want to be in the San Francisco area, or head inland to Sacramento, state capitol and nearer the skiing/hiking/canoeing (some good rivers up near there in gold rush country).
For Canada, Toronto is a bit dull perhaps, and very flat. Very very flat. Vancouver might be better, or if you speak French with a mutant accent Quebec is probably great.
NZ would be good if you can get IT work there. Its an amazing country, one of the most beautiful. Kind of like Japan, but English speaking. And has everything.
Aus, yes, it is popular, for a reason. Its good!
Finance is a useful role though, it will take you round the world, often for the same bank. HSBC internal postings for example, probably cover most of the known world.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: Vancouver might be better
Arghh, slip of the brain, I'd meant to write Vancouver 
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Supposedly one of the most beautiful cities/settings with skiing near by.
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I resent this part "south is in the third world when it comes to IT." - true, Croatia isn't really south , but south-east, but we're still tech leaders (at least for my bank group) which includes such paragons of advanced technology as italy and austria
And there are more then 1 successful firms coming from here with million+ income thanks to games and apps in stores. Quite good for mere 4 million people (as is said for New Zealand)
Original poster: people speak passable english here and we're tourist country with good weather
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Even northern Europe is nothing compared to the UK. IT there is a big industry, there are companies everywhere.
But its good Croatia is doing well. I haven't seen any contracts over there though. Do you do much windows/linux kernel stuff?
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I'm a microsoft guy, so ... no
There is heavy recruiting for Ireland and people are leaving, going after the money. Some return complaining that money looks good on paper, but the cost of living in GB is too high But I have no personal experience.
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Sinisa Hajnal wrote: There is heavy recruiting for Ireland and people are leaving, going after the money. Some return complaining that money looks good on paper, but the cost of living in GB is too high
I'm not surprised they find the cost of living high if they're living in GB and working in Ireland.
They should try living in the same country as they work, or at least on the same island.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Holyhead to Dub? About 40 mins isn't it?
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Aye, not too long, bloody pricey twice a day five days a week though.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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LOL, no they lived in Croatia and now live and work in Ireland. Living in England and working in Ireland seems...well...not cost effective
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IT is big in Ireland too, but its a bit of a dump with appalling weather.
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I've always quite fancied Germany, but so does everyone else on the planet right now it seems.
Culturally and meteorologically pretty similar to Britain, good beer and its one of those countries that just kinda 'works'. Also because I like the idea of living somewhere where the language isn't my native tongue, to learn a new language. I think that's something us Brits do badly.
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I'm not really considering Europe - it's too bogged down in red tape and has become a "can't do" area (this is especially apparent in the UK). There are some major economic problems right across the Eurozone and I can't see things improving any time soon 
From a development point of view, countries like the US, Canada and Australia seem a lot more dynamic at the moment.
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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Ummm, California has three societal sections - the illegals, the elite, and the people trying to survive the madness. They did elect moon bat Jerry Brown. Very high taxes (course you're coming from the UK), long commutes, very high housing prices.
I'd move to NZ before California.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Yeah, that's kind of what's come across in the media, but it's difficult to know how true all that is.
A shame if things really have gotten as bad as is portrayed in the news and movies
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The bottom half of Australia isn't too hot - and if you can put up with a few mid-30's days in summer, the spring and autumn weather is awesome.
We live on the Sunshine Coast, emigrated from Pommieland in '92 - kicked ourselves for not having done so sooner.
The Boy(TM) was born here and I envy him greatly (although the schools here don't seem to have invented the shower - so after playing footie in the summer, they are little stinkers!)
Plenty of IT jobs about see here for Brisbane jobs[^]
We didn't find it hard working in IT here - very similar to the UK in may ways.
Work hours tend to be longer (or longer than they were when I was last working in the UK) i.e. 37.5 hour or even 40 hour weeks.
4 weeks paid holiday and 10 days sick/family leave are about the norm
Salary for a mid-level dev is probably $80k to $100K (but does vary a lot).
Get paid more in Sydney - but property can be expensive depending on the suburb - and the usual big city commute problems arise - but Sydney is fantastic.
Brisbane is more laid back (they used to have a sign between NSW and Qld saying "Welcome to Queensland, please set your clock and calendar back 30 years") but it has grown up even in the time we've been around here.
we lived in Samford (for example) where property tends to be acreage, the lifestyle is great, about 40 mins commute to the city.
Use Domain.com.au to look at properties
We are not on the sunshine coast (Cooroy) 20 minutes from the best beaches in Qld (IMHO) but in the hinterlands - property is cheap but fewer jobs (high unemployment in the Sunshine Coast because lots of people come here for the sun and stay for the dole)
Before we emigrated I was concerned about the hear (not least because I had an allergy which meant I couldn't go out in the sun without blowing up like a red Michelin man)
so we came on a 4 week holiday to suss it out.
We applied for Visas the day we got back home - jetlagged and all.
Suggest you do the same (come on a holiday and suss it out)
Welcome to kip here for a night or two to save some cash!
Cheers
PooperPig - Coming Soon
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That's a lot of excellent information, thanks!
I think we'll have to visit whichever places we narrow it down to (probably two), thanks for the offer to stop over a night or two  , it'd probably be great to meet up and discuss things if we get over there
Whichever places we visit, I'll probably try and line up some meetings/interviews with companies if possible to get a feel for the work too.
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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Well you know what they say. If you find the perfect place, don't go there. You'll only ruin it!
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