Collaboration / Beta Testing

Anonymous4-Jun-03 8:44

Anonymous

4-Jun-03 8:44

Every time I download a control from here, there is always some surprise and it can take alot of time to figure out what's wrong. The first thing being that they don't compile. For us people doing other things than programming it is a pain in the ass. Why not do a library that is free, tested and can be used by every idiot(don't look at me.. they are out there Smile | :)

)

jhaga

J. Dunlap4-Jun-03 8:46

4-Jun-03 8:46

Anonymous wrote:
Every time I download a control from here, there is always some surprise and it can take alot of time to figure out what's wrong. The first thing being that they don't compile. For us people doing other things than programming it is a pain. Why not do a library that is free, tested and can be used by every idiot(don't look at me.. they are out there)

Exactly!

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi

jhaga4-Jun-03 9:07

4-Jun-03 9:07

Why did you edit "pain in the ass"? We are not in the Lounge Smile | :)

jhaga

CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote:
...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner.
...Good heavens!

J. Dunlap4-Jun-03 9:15

4-Jun-03 9:15

Why do you think it's such a big deal that I did so? Wink | ;)

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi

jhaga4-Jun-03 9:45

4-Jun-03 9:45

Just stay off my ass! Smile | :)

Hehe, I guess I have been talking to John and his language is catching on.

jhaga

CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote:
...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner.
...Good heavens!

J. Dunlap4-Jun-03 7:24

4-Jun-03 7:24

Jason Henderson wrote:
CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately.

Dead | X|

I sure hope not.

Thanks for listing out the project phases, Jason. Smile | :)

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi

Kant4-Jun-03 8:03

Kant

4-Jun-03 8:03

Jason Henderson wrote:
CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. Let's hope that is not the case. Anyway...

I don't think so...

The reason I think too many messages posted in span of 3 or 4 days. It makes difficult to read those many messages and sometimes CP hiccups.

People like me who spend 1 hour or 2 hours a day on CP, it's very difficult to read all the messages and reply back to them.

My suggestions:

1. What we need is a CP Wiki board exclusive for Collaboration board? (with no advertisements and Expanded view)

or

2. Daily Digest of all the messages posted in the Collaboration board mailed to participating members?

Never take a problem to your boss unless you have a solution.
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jhaga4-Jun-03 9:29

4-Jun-03 9:29

But we also need a message board where we can talk about the projects and joke around(you know those bad jokes that Paul usually tells Smile | :)

)

jhaga

CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote:
...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner.
...Good heavens!

John Fisher4-Jun-03 11:10

John Fisher

4-Jun-03 11:10

Kant wrote:
1. What we need is a CP Wiki board exclusive for Collaboration board? (with no advertisements and Expanded view)
or
2. Daily Digest of all the messages posted in the Collaboration board mailed to participating members?

Which were both parts of the unselected Code Project Tools project...

John

"We want to be alone when we hear too many words and we feel alone when it has been a while since anyone has spoken to us." Paul David Tripp -- War of Words

J. Dunlap4-Jun-03 11:13

4-Jun-03 11:13

Personally, I think it's a good idea.

Maybe you could help Chris out with it, though.

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi

Paul Watson4-Jun-03 9:04

Paul Watson

4-Jun-03 9:04

Jason Henderson wrote:
but Paul Watson was also nominated. Paul, any thoughts? Are you interested? If not, Anders will be declared the PL.

Oh hey I was nominated. To be honest though I think Anders should be the guy (his idea.) If PMS, the ASP.NET Web Control Library or the Code Snippet projects get voted sometime then I will happily lead if nominated for them.

I want to only lead something I am really interested in, otherwise I will be a bad leader for not having much passion for the idea.

I am willing to work on the Defect Tracker project though as it is definitley a part of the PMS idea as far as I think.

Can't wait for work to begin guys, it should be an experience to remember whatever the outcome Smile | :)

Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa

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Jason Henderson4-Jun-03 9:41

Jason Henderson

4-Jun-03 9:41

Anders Molin is the official PL for the Defect Tracking system. Congrats Anders!

Jason Henderson

My articles

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill

J. Dunlap4-Jun-03 9:48

4-Jun-03 9:48

Congrats! Anders, I have confidence that you'll do a good job. Big Grin | :-D

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi

Anders Molin4-Jun-03 10:04

4-Jun-03 10:04

Thanks

- Anders

Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"

Anders Molin4-Jun-03 9:56

4-Jun-03 9:56

Wow, I just leave CP for a couple of hours, and get beck to about 40 new messages about CPP Cool | :cool:

Jason Henderson wrote:
Anders Molin is the official PL for the Defect Tracking system

Thanks Smile | :)

The original idea was a Defect Tracking and a Source Versionering tool (Like Source Safe or CVS), and make them work together....
What has happened with that?
Are we still going to make both parts?

- Anders

Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"

Anders Molin4-Jun-03 10:00

4-Jun-03 10:00

Like Marc, I would also like the teams to be established before we make the design documents for the project. I think it would be a good idea if there is a couple of persons working on those.

Anyone interested in helping me with all the writing?
I mean, English is not my native language, and I'm not the best writer in the world...

- Anders

Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"

J. Dunlap4-Jun-03 10:01

4-Jun-03 10:01

I'll be glad to help out, although I don't know a whole lot about versioning/source control.

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi

Jason Henderson4-Jun-03 10:10

Jason Henderson

4-Jun-03 10:10

Sorry for the confusion, but I think that's how I have it outlined, or at least how I envisioned it.

I'd like you to write up an abstract using a template file I'd like to send you, summarizing your own ideas of the project. Once that is finished, send it back to me for posting approval on this forum. (I know I'm the forum posting Nazi, but somebody has maintain control. Blush | :O

)

You will then get suggestions for improvement, etc. but you're the leader and don't have to use any of them. After taking comments for a day or so, we'll start the project article series and begin building teams.

After that, will be the design phase where you write up design docs.

Jason Henderson

My articles

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill

Anders Molin4-Jun-03 10:12

4-Jun-03 10:12

Jason Henderson wrote:
Sorry for the confusion, but I think that's how I have it outlined, or at least how I envisioned it.

Woops, I was too quick, posting before reading all the other posts Blush | :O

- Anders

Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"

jhaga4-Jun-03 10:46

4-Jun-03 10:46

Jason Henderson wrote:
forum posting Nazi

Yes, I see more and more of this nazi tendency... Smile | :)

My 2 cents...

Nitron4-Jun-03 13:47

Nitron

4-Jun-03 13:47

I think we need to establish balanced teams with interested people first, then let a leader be borne from that. As far as "Leader" goes, I think you are filling the role fine for now. You're kinda like the CEO, establishing the vision for focused work. Let the employees get the job done. If we get teams together and get active discussions on each project, we can start to brainstorm over the project in general. Chances are, as we pour over a project as a team, we may come to realize that the project may need to take a different form altogether (for reasons as mentioned above).

We need a clear consensus on the vision and goals of a project before we even open our IDE. We need a clear system design and requirrements specification. We need to define a target audience (customer) and aim to meet their needs. We need to look beyond the coding aspects of the project and take it as a chance to learn the business and design aspects of the craft as well.

Let's not start too fast, and don't get discouraged over the pace. We want quality not quantity. Let the idea sink in for a while, and lets get some volunteers committed to a team to get the ball rolling so to speak.

Also, we should plan some CP get-togethers to get to know each other beetter. I live in the Dallas TX area, and will be in the DC/Bethesda/PotomacMD area for a week in mud-july. I also plan on being in North-East PA (Wilkes-Barre/Scranton area) in December. Maybe we can gather some people together over a Beer | [beer]

or three.

Anyway, comments?

- Nitron

"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb

Jason Henderson4-Jun-03 17:16

Jason Henderson

4-Jun-03 17:16

Nitron wrote:
I think we need to establish balanced teams with interested people first, then let a leader be borne from that.

Perhaps we could do this with UGLY, since the nominees either haven't responded or are less than enthusiastic.

I may setup an article series for UGLY and let people join then establish a leader.

Be patient with me while I iron out the look and feel of the article series. It may be a few days, and right now I need to sleep since I have deprived myself of it for far too long. Sleepy | :zzz:

Jason Henderson

My articles

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill

Heinz R. Vahlbruch4-Jun-03 19:38

Heinz R. Vahlbruch

4-Jun-03 19:38

Nitron wrote:
We need a clear consensus on the vision and goals of a project before we even open our IDE. We need a clear system design and requirrements specification. We need to define a target audience (customer) and aim to meet their needs. We need to look beyond the coding aspects of the project and take it as a chance to learn the business and design aspects of the craft as well.

That's exactly what I'm thinking too. I don't want to start coding as in former times and then having to do so many redesigns to existing code. Why not build our projects that way software has to be build?

Nitron wrote:
Also, we should plan some CP get-togethers to get to know each other beetter. I live in the Dallas TX area

I'd love to attend, but I'm living in Germany Dead | X|

. I love TX and we plan to make one more trip next year, so be carefull what you're saying, maybe I remember where you live ... Poke tongue | ;-P

heinz r. vahlbruch
c++ & c# programmer from germany

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Nitron5-Jun-03 3:41

Nitron

5-Jun-03 3:41

Heinz R. Vahlbruch wrote:
I love TX and we plan to make one more trip next year,

remember to let me know if you're coming!

- Nitron

"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb