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I fully agree here, Jason.
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It's a shame this didn't come up before I submitted about 8 hours of work.
Marc
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Sorry.
What I say then is:
Let's just see what your thing is like, and if it's as good or better, we'll keep it; if not, back to Jason's.
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No, the standard thing isn't what's got me on my high horse, it's the article authoring thing. I'm more than happy to compromise on standards.
Marc
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 See Jason's latest post.
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Hmmm, I just tried to edit one of my own unedited articles, and I can change the Author ID(s)...
Why don't you just let jason make the articles with both him and you as authors, then you can just remove him. This should keep everyone happy!
- Anders
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Perhaps I didn't delve deeply enough into the wizard. I didn't see where IDs could be edited.
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I think we're arguing over different things. Would you like me to whip out a layout for each page and send it to you? Then you could post the articles yourself.
Marc, I do want to remain involved in this sort of thing so I will most likely be critiquing the articles to make sure they're up to snuff (standard layout and project info only). Do you have a problem with this? Of course all of my suggestions would be via email and not on a message board.
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Jason Henderson wrote:
I do want to remain involved in this sort of thing so I will most likely be critiquing the articles to make sure they're up to snuff
No, I definitely don't have a problem with that. In fact, I think it would be a good thing!
Jason Henderson wrote:
Would you like me to whip out a layout for each page and send it to you?
At this point it's probably not necessary. It would be nice to delegate some of this work, so I'm hoping I don't have to write all the project article pieces. For example, it would be nice if someone else can step forward with the design document. A sneak peek is of course welcome, but besides the Abstract, I don't think it's necessary.
Jason Henderson wrote:
Of course all of my suggestions would be via email and not on a message board.
 That got me to chuckle. Whew!
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
It would be nice to delegate some of this work, so I'm hoping I don't have to write all the project article pieces. For example, it would be nice if someone else can step forward with the design document.
Give me an idea of what you're looking for, and maybe I'll take a stab at it. 
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I'm not trying to steal your thunder or take credit for your work. I just want to maintain a standard layout across all of the projects. You can control the rest of the content and your team.
I think we can compromise on this.
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Jason Henderson wrote:
I think we can compromise on this.
Definitely. I hope I didn't come across as too hard-assed. 
Marc
Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
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See my reply to Marc 
- Anders
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Just wanted to chip in that I think we should keep this all on CP and not move it over to SourceForge or any other project tool.
Paul Watson
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I think we are going to need some kind of Defect Tracking System (until our own is finished )
Do you think chris will host a freeware system for us?
And dont tell me that we can do this in a forum, it is just not gonna work.
What about source control, are we going to do that manually?
- Anders
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How do you propose we handle defect tracking? Is there a free defect tracker on the web we could use?
For SC, I could see one person (source manager) handling this stuff if we have no other option. What do you suggest?
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Jason Henderson wrote:
Is there a free defect tracker on the web we could use?
http://try.fogbugz.com/[^]
http://www.bugzilla.org/[^]
Disclaimer: i haven't used either of these.
Shog9
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Can you give me an update on the status of your abstracts?
Remember, they don't have to be perfect, just put enough info in them that we can start up the articles, form teams, and start having fun.
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Hopefully, I should have the abstract by the end of this evening for you. (GMT)
Roger Allen
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Thanks Roger.
No hurry. I'm kind of trying to figure out how I want to proceed anyway.
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Did you not get mine yesterday?
- Anders
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Got it!
Thanks.
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Requested by: Jason Henderson
All Request For Comments (RFC) should be posted on my message board[^] where I will then post them here at the proper time.
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Here are *rough* layouts for a CPP article series. If we can consolidate pages or if we desperately need another, then please say so. If there is more info needed on a specific page, let's discuss it. Of course, these are just initial layouts and project leaders will be able to put more info/features in their articles once created.
Article Series page layouts:
CP2 Project Name - MAIN PAGE
- critical_documents.zip
- links to other article series pages
- Development status
- Dev. Environment/language
- Abstract and general info
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- Messages/Comments
CP2 Project Name - PROJECT MANAGEMENT
- Team Member List
Project Leader
various other positions
- Current Assignments
who is assigned to what
- Positions needed to be filled
_________________________________________
- Messages/Comments
Requests to join
CP2 Project Name - SOURCE MANAGEMENT
- source_code.zip
- demo.zip
- Latest code changes
what changed, who changed it
- Latest screen shots/prototypes
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- Messages/Comments
code review
QA issues
CP2 Project Name - PROJECT DESIGN
- design_document_and_template.zip
- project_documentation.zip
- FAQ?
- Design Document or
documentation synopsis?
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- Messages/Comments
ideas/enhancements
CP2 Project Name - PROJECT DIARY
- timeline_doc_and template.zip
- Goals/timeline
- Milestones reached/not reached
- PL thoughts/Postmortum
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- Messages/Comments
Open
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I think that we need to have a diary/changelog for each component, as well as the project as a whole. It might best be written in XML (with an XSLT transform), sort of like a blog, except with an expandable node for each component.
Example:
GUI Library
[-]Scrollable Viewport
[-]June 7, 2003 - Fixed re-painting bug
Fixed a bug which caused anomalies and un-painted
areas when a window was dragged over the control.
[+]June 8, 2003 - Completed pixel zoom implementation
[+]ListView
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etc.
Also, Current Assignments, and the index of design documents could be in XML. (BTW, I'd be glad to do it for you.)
Maybe we could do the UML design in ProxyDesigner, since they have support for publishing/collaborating on the web?
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