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OriginalGriff wrote: do you use a D/L manager that might be running under a different user?
Very good question, but I don't. I was just previewing an image via download from a royalty-free image site. When the image landed in the normal downloads directory it was inaccessible. I just thought it was odd.
Thanks for the input and ideas.
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Call me cynical, but do you have a link for me so I can confirm the behaviour?
raddevus wrote: I'll reboot, but it's so annoying.
In which world does rebooting fix user-permissions?
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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The Windows World. I have encountered that issue once, and a reboot did fix it. I guess Win10 got confused. I haven't seen it recently, though.
It was late at night anyways, so shutting down and continuing later was needed.
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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Here's what seems to be happening?
1. The file is downloaded to the user's download directory
2. windows defender grabs the file and takes "ownership" (even though the user is running Chrome) so it can scan it to insure it doesn't include a virus.
3. defender eventually lets go of ownership -- unless something interrupts it where it continues to have ownership.
The reboot was in case something was running slowly or something so that defender was slowed down and I was able to see that the file was in the directory but defender wasn't done scanning it making me think I could grab the file though I couldn't.
This is 100% different from anything I've seen in Windows 3.1, Windows 95, Windows NT 4 (No ME or 98 for me), Windows 2000, Windows XP (Service pack1, 2, 3) Windows 7, Windows 8.1. So it was a bit odd and I thought I'd report it.
Just thought it was interesting.
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raddevus wrote: Just thought it was interesting.
It is, and it sounds scary.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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raddevus wrote: because I am not the owner. What?
Win10 owns you and therefore also owns the file 
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Well that is true, of course. I should've known better than to believe I could use files that I downloaded during my user session while running Chrome in my windows account.
It's crazy ridiculous of me. 
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raddevus wrote: No Access To File I Own
2. Now, this morning I downloaded a image file and I attempted to preview it and Windows 10 (built-in) photo viewer or whatever tells me I do not have access to that file because I am not the owner. What?
This is not a Win10 issue, it's older than that.
If you download files (knowingly or unknowingly) from unknown sources (no certificate) they will be blocked for safety.
You can unblock files using Powershell[^] or just simply do it in File Properties.
To remove this function you can either go to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Attachments\SaveZoneInformation if it exists, or change the Group policy User Configuration → Administrative Templates → Windows Components → Attachment Manager → Do not preserve zone information in file attachments or add the site to the Trusted Zone.
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That's a great answer and interesting. Thanks.
I've just never seen it before I started using Win10.
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I have to tell two things to boss, and not sure how...
1. "If you pay monkeys you get peanuts"
2. To press on in a new field will lead to wrong roads
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: "If you pay monkeys you get peanuts"
Isn't that supposed to be "If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys"?
I'm fairly sure that if you pay people in simians, you get a Chimps Tea Party!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Two reasons to turn the phrase over...
1. Google translate get lost when translating back to Hebrew 
2. It seems lately boss hires monkeys (and obviously pay them) so most of our code looks like peanuts (or the peels at least)...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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I'm told that if you pay enough monkeys they'll reproduce Shakespeare!
So anyway, if you're going to tell your boss at least make sure you don't tell him his plan sucks.
Bring it so that his plan may have benefits IF it works out, and that you totally get his decision to do it this way, but (and don't use the word 'but') also tell him you have some concerns.
Not easy, I know, but he'll be a lot more susceptible to your concerns if he thinks you're on his side.
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Sander Rossel wrote: Bring it so that his plan may have benefits IF it works out, and that you totally get his decision to do it this way, but (and don't use the word 'but') also tell him you have some concerns.
Not easy, I know, but he'll be a lot more susceptible to your concerns if he thinks you're on his side.
My parents told me that I should not tell lies...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: My parents told me that I should not tell lies...
They were lying!
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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Well, well - how dare you!
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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You can tell the truth in a non-committal way that will allow your boss see the information in his bias as confirmation of his ideas (you don't have to dissuade him) but that will also allow for criticism.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Then don't tell lies.
Actually it's better if you don't because most people are bad liars.
Tell him stuff like "if I were you I'd do the same" which technically isn't a lie, because he's doing it and if you were him you'd, well, do it too (or you wouldn't be him).
And "it's a good plan if it works", which also isn't a lie, because if it does it's really a good plan (just don't tell him the chances of it succeeding are pretty close to zero).
Also try to get into his mindset, why is he doing it? Perhaps it really does make sense, after all this guy is your (probably well paid) boss which means he's made some good decisions in the past. Perhaps he knows something you don't, or he has another view on things. If you get to see his point of view you can judge it from there and it might make sense in some twisted way. You might even praise him for it (you really got his attention now)!
Also tell him your plan in a way that he benefits from it. Maybe his plan is (short term) financially optimal, but technical (as in produced code) sub-optimal, maybe you could convince him that there's more money to be made in the long term when better code is produced. Don't tell him the produced code sucks and from a programmer's perspective that's unacceptable (like he gives a damn), tell him instead that more money can be made in the long run when the code that is produced now is of better quality (that's HIS money you're talking about!).
And if it's possible make him think it's his plan even when it's actually yours!
You: "Do you think our code quality should be better so we can make more money in the future?"
Him: *I don't know what he said, but it involved more money* "Of course we should!"
You: "That's pretty clever of you!"
I'm oversimplifying it, but you get the idea
Of course it's easier said than done.
You don't want to be a suck up, but you don't want to burn his idea either.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: My parents told me that I should not tell lies
So, your parents don't have business sense. And in business, it ain't lying, its finding the correct turn of phrase to keep you employed.
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Sander Rossel wrote: I'm told that if you pay enough monkeys they'll reproduce Shakespeare!
I would hope not. He's been dead for hundreds of years, and I don't want to live in a horror story.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Quote: I'm told that if you pay enough monkeys they'll reproduce Shakespeare!
Only if you wait long enough for them to do it by complete accident. The monkeys then won't know what the hell they did or how to improve upon it without further waiting for another fortuitous accident to happen.
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So it's kind of like programming? 
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Sander Rossel wrote: I'm told that if you pay enough monkeys they'll reproduce Shakespeare!
- with infinite time, maybe.
but they will produce 99.9..% bad versions, leaving you with a search algorithm problem to find the best.
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With infinite monkeys (and infinite typewriters) they'll conjure up every work of Shakespeare (or every work ever written) soon enough, like before the end of the month
Of course if you employ only one monkey it may take an infinity (then again, there's a change, small it may be, it'll write Hamlet on its first try).
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Sander Rossel wrote: if you pay enough monkeys they'll reproduce Shakespeare
Actually the quote is an infinite number of monkeys, so there will never be enough animals or typewriters. To type out all combinations of 10 characters limiting it to just the English alphabet, single case there are 141,167,095,653,376 ways the characters can be combined and that isn't close to the number of random words and spacing the monkeys need to produce. Shakespeare produced thousands of words.
I hate to think of the number of editors you'd have to hire to find the works of Shakespeare in 2x89a7 54C3 9Y2!$#a%^$^ sets of monkey produced text and the education needed to know the correct spelling of old English words.
That quote predates computers so you also need an infinite number of typewriters (an 11 character word) as well.
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