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R. Giskard Reventlov wrote: Marvelous car.
Too bad it's butt ugly. 
That's what I do. I drink, and I know things. ~ Tyrion Lannister
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Yeah, but went like sh*t off a shovel. For its day it was ok but it did require regular servicing. Like every week... 
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Nope, Axl still sucks and takes away from the ACDC sound I have grown to love. They need to retire now.
Second link, he sounds like Sam Kinison.
...in my opinion, that is.
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Wow! Thank you for this. I never expected that he fits that good.
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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It's cute the first time.
The nth time, it creates a new behavior -- how long can I wait so that I'm not the first caller having to listen to the hold music.
Ah, the side-effects of technology on our behavior!
You can hear the hold song here[^] if you want. Like I said, cute the first time.
Marc
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Agreed. Not bad one time, maybe.
But, that's about it.
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It beats all hell out of the 8-bit, four bar 90's video game theme on some PBX's.
Software Zen: delete this;
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OK, so 100 is the average intelligence. Without really thinking about it, one kind of assumes that average is... well, you know - meh, average. Not smart, not stupid, just... average. But actually, has anyone done any studies to really get a handle on just what average intelligence amounts to? (Other than answering IQ tests...) 'cos I think it's probably pretty damned stupid.
I'm asking this in all seriousness - not trying to have a rant. What is average intelligence - just how smart (or dumb) is someone with an IQ of 100?
For example - how would such people fare in:
applications to an average university
a course to become an airline pilot
learning to program in C#
studying law
running for public office (ha ha just joking with that one!)
..this sort of thing...
[edit] just to be clear: I am not looking for a scientifically rigorous answer - the question doesn't have one, I know that. Just.. as the title says: how smart is average?
"I'm never quite so stupid as when I'm being smart." - Linus van Pelt.
"If you were as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't think you were so smart!" - Charlie Brown.
modified 6-May-16 15:14pm.
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Someone once said I was below average. I though he was being mean, but it was just his default mode.
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That will go over some heads.
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Intelligence is impossible to measure.
So, just stop there.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Well, I realise that - it's also multi-dimensional/faceted... I'm not really after a definitive scientific answer....
"I'm never quite so stupid as when I'm being smart." - Linus van Pelt.
"If you were as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't think you were so smart!" - Charlie Brown.
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Wombaticus wrote: - it's also multi-dimensional/faceted
To the point of being unanswerable in my opinion.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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What's the purpose then Mr. Smarty Pants?
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Back in my college days I ended up taking a whole bunch of different IQ tests and got the same, normalized, score on all of them! I kept getting 139 which, while it pleased me to be above the 100 average, it also annoyed me in that they told me that a score of 140 or above is "genius" level and I couldn't quite make it! A friend cheered me up by having a T-shirt printed for me with "One point short of a Genius" on it. However, although she meant well, the word "Genius" was spelled "Genuis" which rather spoiled the effect! 
I recently did an on-line IQ test and scored 144 so my incredible age must have counted for something!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Meh, I've taken plenty of IQ tests, both official and online... They all put me in the 185-200 range...
Except when I was really bored and decided to join Mensa... I took their admission test (Didn't have any of the paperwork from the few of those IQ tests that were "official"), and missed qualifying by one point.
(In my defense, their "Which of these things is not like the other?" questions were really "Which of the several obvious answers to this is the one we decided is correct?", and I lost time on the math section because I hadn't done long multiplication/division by hand in years)
So to summarize, I'm pretty sure all intelligence testing is complete crap... And to summarize the summary of the summary, as DNA said, people are the problem.
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I was invited to join Mensa when I was working in London. I went to one of the monthly social get-togethers. I didn't know what to expect but it turned out to be a p*ssing competition as to who got the highest score for entry. Also, I found out that the Mensa "IQ" score is 20% higher than most others. In other words if an IQ test says a person has an IQ of 150, the same person should obtain a score of 180 using the Mensa test. Considering the social skills, or lack thereof, of the people at the meeting, I declined the invitation and the test.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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The same is true of online IQ tests, they score people artificially high in order to encourage people to brag and have their friends take it, because of course it's about making money with them clicks. Same with Mensa, they score people high because, well, they want more paying members don't they? And as you found, it's all about bragging rights (and by extension, insecurity).
If you want an accurate IQ test you have to go to a psychologist. And even then, if you want it to be truly accurate you need to take it as a child.
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Not on a professionally supervised Stanford-Binet or Weschler you didn't.
Just because a thing (on-line thing, yes?) says "IQ Test" don't mean didley-squat.
A couple points:
(a) Professionally valid IQ tests are increasingly unreliable above 150. But getting a score over 150 means that you are really, really smart.
(b) The IQ scores you boast of above are higher than Gary Kasparov, Stephen Hawking and Albert Einstein. Anyone scoring that high will cause a local ripple and people would want to talk to you, and re-test you (the "unreliabilty" thing)
So, to summarize, I think I will discount your opinion of IQ testing, because it seems pretty obvious that you have never (other than Mensa) been "properly" tested.
Good to know that you are on the A-Ark
(at least, they told you it was the A-Ark, right? But the guys who told you it was the A-Ark, they aren't on board are they?)
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Robert g Blair wrote: Not on a professionally supervised Stanford-Binet or Weschler you didn't.
I don't know them by name, but there was definitely one "professionally supervised" one ~30 years ago... And without going into detail (Real name, public forum, etc), there were significant effects. Life-changing, even.
Robert g Blair wrote: The IQ scores you boast of above are higher than Gary Kasparov, Stephen Hawking and Albert Einstein.
Which is exactly why I think the entire concept is garbage. Either I have as much potential as them, and just haven't been motivated to reach it, or the measurement itself is flawed. I would assume the latter.
Robert g Blair wrote: Good to know that you are on the A-Ark
(at least, they told you it was the A-Ark, right? But the guys who told you it was the A-Ark, they aren't on board are they?)
Pfft, there IS no A-Ark... That's just what we told those fools on the B-Ark... Hold on, my telephone is ringing... Someone should really clean this thing... 
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Sure Ian.
Can I just get this straight:
You scored 185 or 200 on a professionally supervised IQ test.
But you failed a Mensa test (passing grade = 132).
Because "Quote: Which of these things is not like the other?" questions were really "Which of the several obvious answers to this is the one we decided is correct?", and I lost time on the math section because I hadn't done long multiplication/division by hand in years
To people who are familiar with IQ testing Ian, those excuses are quite funny. Both of them reveal an inability to understand the concepts.
False negatives, ie, scoring lower than you can, (deliberate, language problems, illness etc) are quite possible on those tests. It happens sometimes.
False positives, ie, scoring higher than you should, has only ever been achieved by cheating. And usually requires collusion with the test proctor.
EDIT:
Just thinking about my own experience, I have toned this post down a bit.
It is quite possible you tested low at Mensa because of illness, or after-effects of something (I don't want to say drugs or anything).
I had the experience, for several years, of being "dumb" - due to illness.
When I look back at the (not so good) code I wrote back then I can remember how "hard" everything seemed to be.
Still, I did manage to complete a couple projects in a reasonable manner. So maybe "average" people can cut code ...
modified 11-May-16 20:21pm.
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Robert g Blair wrote: To people who are familiar with IQ testing Ian, those excuses are quite funny. Both of them reveal an inability to understand the concepts.
An inability to understand the concepts... When they show five line drawings, ask the old "Which of these things is not like the other", and there are several things that exactly four of them have in common, it becomes a game of "Read the test designer's mind".
As for the long division... My own fault, I suppose... Too much time relying on computers and calculators, so I had to re-teach myself the basics.
Robert g Blair wrote: False negatives, ie, scoring lower than you can, (deliberate, language problems, illness etc) are quite possible on those tests. It happens sometimes.
I was getting over a cold at the time, but I wouldn't use that as an excuse... If I felt too sick to take the test, I would have postponed it.
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I did an IQ test once and it gave me a score of 136. I'm also a member of Mensa, if it helps you in anayway!!
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