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I just installed my printer. I get loads of software that I can install (and foolishly did, except for one).
Nine additional items are listen in Programs and features, drivers, utilities, tools...
Some very annoying printing menu is shown at the bottom right of my screen.
The menu has lots of options.
Uninstalled the menu.
All I wanted was to print a PDF file.
Why so much stuff, I mean a menu that's always visible?
Who the hell prints SO much they need a menu every time they start their computer? 
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I guess they are hoping that since you have a menu, you'll use it to print a lot.
Since they make huge profits on the ink... 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Sander Rossel wrote: I mean a menu that's always visible?
Marketing would not want it any other way.
They probably think they are adding "value" 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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If value equals clutter on your computer then yes, they're adding lots of it 
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Sander Rossel wrote: Who the hell prints SO much they need a menu every time they start their computer?
A copy shop, print on demand?
You will soon see that the whole idea behind this software is to constantly remind you to buy fresh ink cartriges and conveniently send you to their webshop. I have an HP printer here that had all those convenient features and the Epson that replaced it does just the same. The cartriges that came with it had only enough ink to print a few test pages and then the sales show started.
I got myself five complete sets of ink cartriges, each with a second black cartridge, for 20 bucks. These are not original Epson cartriges, of course. Now the printer driver predicts the end of the world each time I turn on the printer. Fortunately they must offer the option to continue printing anyway, but that does not keep them from using their printer driver as scareware to get you to buy their vastly superior ink. Just click the link to their webshop.
They don't make any money with manufacturing printers anymore. Look at a printer from 1980 and you will see some minor differences in quality and workmanship. Today they make their profit with the ink, which simply costs at least five times as much as the chinese imitation.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Some of it is actually genuine - but not much - the black inks are pigmented and the particle size has to be carefully controlled or it will block the head filter1. With Epson, you buy just the ink each time; the head is not replaced (unlike HP where the print head is part of the cartridge) so a problem with the pigments can wreck the printer. In addition, pigments undergo a process called "flocculation" over time which means they do have a specific use by date, which is why the cartridges have an electronic timestamp built in. The colour inks are dye based, so they don't have these problems, though the dyes can degrade over time.
But mostly it's just greed and scare tactics, yes!
1 - When I was dealing with the Xaar piezo heads, I fitted a 5 micron filter in the ink line to the head to "save" the 10 micron built in filter and specified an annual replacement schedule. See, I'm not immune to the lure of "value of consumables" either!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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CDP1802 wrote: Now the printer driver predicts the end of the world each time I turn on the printer
I knew a programmer would ultimately be our undoing!
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CDP1802 wrote: Today they make their profit with the ink, which simply costs at least five times as much as the chinese imitation printer.
If your neighbours don't listen to The Ramones, turn it up real loud so they can.
“We didn't have a positive song until we wrote 'Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue!'” ― Dee Dee Ramone
"The Democrats want my guns and the Republicans want my porno mags and I ain't giving up either" - Joey Ramone
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CDP1802 wrote: I have an HP printer
Just curious since I haven't owned a *HACK* HP *SPIT* printer in about a decade... Back then HPs bundle of crapware was larger than the OS. Vista/7/8/10 are all much larger than XP was; has HPs bloatware team managed to catch up and regain their lead in disk space wasted?
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
modified 13-Jun-16 8:58am.
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I made that mistake only once and since then I simply ignore it and just install the printer driver and nothing more. I just can't tell you how bad it is now, but the driver already is all about paper and ink selling, so I assume that all those great (CR)apps, toolbars and updaters are at least just as bad.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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The media suites that come free with printers are an often undiscovered gem.
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jkadjthegamegadhguaet wrote: The media suites that come free with printers are an often undiscovered gem pile of sh1te
You need to practice writing in English more.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Like your username?
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1) The extra officials on the goal line are a complete waste of space. If you can't see a mugging from 5 yards then what's the point of you?
2) Glenn Hoddle knows less about football than the average snail - perfect qualifications for being England manager all those years ago, obviously.
3) A team that has drawn or lost has not "done enough to win" despite what idiot commentators may say! You cannot turn a statistical certainty into matter of opinion.
4) Gareth Bale is living proof of the maxim it is better to be lucky than to be good (but, well done Wales)
5) Harry Kane is rubbish at corners and free kicks so obviously it is essential that he continues to take them!
6) I hate football sometimes. Of course that won't stop me watching all tomorrow's games!
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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7) Football is the minor event to some spectators to the brawling and rioting.
modified 12-Jun-16 4:35am.
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Please take your sports to the Soapbox.
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I see nothing in my post that even suggests that it is appropriate for the Soapbox or inappropriate for the Lounge. If you knew you weren't interested, why did you read it?
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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People get more political over sports than over politics!
And ANY politics is soapbox material, whether it's lounge appropriate or not.
And I really dislike sports.
"Move it to the soapbox" will, from now on, be my default reaction to any sports related messages in the lounge.
With a little luck it catches on and the lounge will be free of sports
It's all the "Move it to the soapbox" posts lately that gave me the idea 
I really disagree with the "oh no, someone mentioned Trump now I'm offended just because" mentality, but let's see if I can work it in my favor
And now that you know of my diabolical master plan to eliminate all sports from the lounge I might have to kill you.
But really, it's soapbox material.
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I regret that I can only give you 5 up-points, and not a medal.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Quote: But really, it's soapbox material.
Like Best song of the week/month/year 
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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That's culture, you philistine!
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M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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How much bandwidth will one dollar buy today ?
I'm thinking about a network of, duh, let's estimate one hundred end users who use the connection to my system five times a day for maybe three or four minutes each time.
How much bandwidth (i.e., how many bytes of data) could I expect to provide one of those users, on average, for one dollar ?
Now, suppose my service got popular and I attracted one thousand users. Do the costs remain consistent ?
What if by some wild chance I found a million people who wanted my service five times a day ? Would the cost of the number of bytes per dollar remain constant ?
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 The question is as near as dammit meaningless. How are you providing the data? Are you going to have a dedicated server, a home server which also serves your own computing needs
, have someone else host? How are they going to be connecting? Peer-to-peer, private network, standard internet connection? What is the bandwidth of the server's connection and will you have to pay to improve it as customers grow. What are your power costs, your insurance? Does it matter if the system has down time or will you need backups and UPS and ... and ... and ...
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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I don't know if this helps, but my web host (where www.ravib.com[^] is hosted) charges me $16/mo for which I get 50G of bandwidth. My current average usage is about 5GB/month, so I have plenty to spare. Note, I'm talking web host, not ISP. I assume you meant the same?
/ravi
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