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harold aptroot wrote: oliebollen
Yum - I might have had an evil stepmother but the old bitch sure could cook these.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Oliebollen? 
Essentially, they're fried bread in doughnuts' clothing.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Taking the same shots. Work as advertised.
Sander Rossel wrote: as a lack of B12 can affect the nervous system
Recent changes in eye-sight? Tingling in your hands?
Ping if you'd like to know where to get some meat you can trust 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Recent changes in eye-sight?
As recent as four to three years ago.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: Tingling in your hands?
Nope
Eddy Vluggen wrote: Ping if you'd like to know where to get some meat you can trust
Not going back to eating meat 
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Sander Rossel wrote: Not going back to eating meat
Also checked folic acid (foliumzuur) and iron?
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Jep, basically everything 
I'm healthy as something that's really healthy, save for the B12.
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G'day, mate.
We've been vegetarians for generations based on religious beliefs, and our caste (but for me it's more about personal choice and for good health). I have heard of nobody in the known extended family have such deficiencies.
B12 is plentifully available in dairy products (unless you're vegan - vegetarian means vegan food, but including dairy products and honey). Also, B12 supplementation is very common among vegans and you only need one supplemental pill (500 micrograms) per week.
There are also a few vegans in our family (a couple into their retirement), and they're doing just fine. In fact, they're doing excellent for their age and when compared to their friends.
You may also find this helpful: The McDougall Newsletter - Vitamin B12 Deficiency, The Meat Eaters' Last Stand[^]
modified 3-Nov-16 22:26pm.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: I have heard of nobody in the known extended family have such deficiencies
It's a bit of a western problem I think. We always ate meat and I guess most vegetarians just stop eating it without any further changes to their diet, save for the occasional veggie burger. That's not quite how it works.
Besides that, I think the western diet is quite unhealthy as it is, including the meat.
I do eat dairy products, but no B12 supplemental pills anymore (which I'll start with again now)
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: You may also find this helpful: The McDougall Newsletter - Vitamin B12 Deficiency, The Meat Eaters' Last Stand[^]
Good one
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I wish there were some other way but we are designed to eat meat. It is so good for us. Tough on the old cow/pig etc.
Ever thought of eating fish? Might be a morally acceptable half way point.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: Ever thought of eating fish? Might be a morally acceptable half way point.
I quit fish and meat on the same day for the same reason.
No way I'm changing that now
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Fish are pretty low on the evoloutionary scale so what ever motivated you to quit eating mammals needen't apply to fish, IMO, especially when your health is concerned. Anyway, Sushi is damn tasty!
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Is that the evolutionary scale people invented?
I think if nature could make such a scale fish would be a lot more important to the ecosystem than people
Anyway, fish have a lot more scales than us, so your comment is irrelevant.
Sushi is good, but I prefer the vegetarian kind
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Uh?
You are designed to eat meat, you need to eat meat, and if you have, rightly, sentiments about getting it from a relatively intelligent animal then get it from a relatively unintelligent one. Anyway, its your choice, just a suggestion.
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Hi Sandor,
It's that dark music is sapping your vitals 
Best wishes on your training for the Olympics !
yours, Bill
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
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BillWoodruff wrote: It's that dark music is sapping your vitals
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The results you describe exactly what happen to my Dad when he had a vitamin B12 shot! I'm starting to wonder about the placebo effect did you have any issue with 'stiff' knees as that was what my Dad commented on as being better...
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glennPattonWorking wrote: did you have any issue with 'stiff' knees
Nope, I'm only stiff when I wake up in the morning.
I know how wrong that sounds, but I really just mean my legs
It's one of the things that makes getting out of bed so hard for me.
Hopefully that will get better too
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Hey, with me its I just don't like mornings! 
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Until you realize that the alternative is that you'll never see another morning again 
I haven't seen this morning though, was out of bed at 13:00 
After breakfast my cat went back to bed again, I'm so envious! 
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Sander Rossel wrote: I'm also a vegetarian and B12 can be found in, you guessed it, meat
That's why I'm not taking any chances...
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The finalists are here[^]
You can check out the 2015 winners[^] when you're at it as well.
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Great find!
I've got an incredible urge to write captions...
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Cheetah sitting on a dirt road looking at a 40km speed limit sign - fantastic!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Awesome! 
Sometimes it feels like you're having a bad day? Like people are pooping on ya?
You might just be right[^]!
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