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V. wrote: They gave an example in the article, but I forgot what it was.
Shooting both candidates?
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Well, then one should fear more the one who wishes the citizen to be disarmed!
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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In this case... that would not be a problem, that would be the solution
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Campaign funds raised by Trump (who's a billionaire, anyway) $250,000,000+
Campaign funds raised by Clinton (who's a millionaire, anyway) $500,000,000+
Where there's a wage packet, there's a way.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I am a representative on a very local scale, but when I see the little manipulations that are done with paper voting, I would better trust a machine.
Even if something is hacked or manipulated, there will somehow always be evidence that something happened, which is not the case with the paper stuff.
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Evidence accessible to whom? To the people who ar so ignorant about science to consciously avoid vaccinations or those so clueless to fall into every scam ever published?
People are NOT technically competent and of the so-called technically competent only a fraction of them are for real and honest enough to not be easily buyable form one party or the other.
Who is able to detect a change in a executable if suche executable is promptly replaced with the original one? It's not as if filesystems and OS are bulletproof against a simple substitution of date/time, especially if physical access to the machine is possible.
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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I'm a developer for E-Counting applications. Not E-Voting, mind you. The difference is that we are counting the paper using scanners (of course it needs to be sighted after unpacking in order to spot errors the scanner can't handle it self, but those are edge cases). Long story short, I believe in E-Counting (saves the govt. a ton of money to burn somewhere else) but not in E-Voting (obvious security reasons, but also for reasons that nobody can tell whether my vote is anonymous or not - Apart from the system manufacturer, if they're really telling the truth).
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As a programmer, voting machines are simple machines and should/could be easily protected.
As a citizen, I don't care about voting machine, I tend to be a traditionalist when it comes to voting; pen/pencil, paper, box.
I'd rather be phishing!
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When I figure out how to tamper with E-voting, I certainly will not reveal that here.
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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There are more ways to fraud a paper ballot than an electronic one. If the e-voting is properly audited, then the chance of undetected fraud is much lower than even the best manual system.
veni bibi saltavi
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No that doesn't show anything of the sort. I do not pretend to know everything about GEMS, but if the only recording of a vote is the database record I would be very surprised. I go back to my first point, auditing. In theory they could change the vote enough to give whoever they wanted enough support BUT. And this is a big BUT. BUT will it tally with the raw data?
A person goes and casts his vote. An audit point would be collected of a vote for X at that machine at that time. The votes would then be tallied, surely not once as that is asking for fraud, but several times. For the fraud to work, you would need to change the VOTE and all it's records. Not the TALLY.
veni bibi saltavi
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I think I heard that a couple elections ago, here in Ohio they found a machine that changed the votes between cast and record. I do not know if the machine was actually used or just found.
Mongo: Mongo only pawn... in game of life.
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I actually interviewed with a company that makes those machines. And having met the people programming some of those machines, I do not have any real faith in them. The "lead developer" didn't know what Parse and TryParse functions do. And the other devs weren't much better.
Speed of sound - 1100 ft/sec
Speed of light - 186,000 mi/sec
Speed of stupid - instantaneous.
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These are the best voting devices. They are so good like you wouldn't believe it. So good. They are the best and the greatest devices you will ever know. Believe me, bigly.
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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Hi,
I don't think we are quite ready for an electronic voting system. I personally think we should revisit the idea in another 4-8 years.
Best Wishes,
-David Delaune
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I think every voter should be made to cut his hand with his hunting knife, and press his bleeding palm on a rock to indicate his preference.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I think every voter should be made to cut his hand with his hunting knife, and press his bleeding palm on a rock to indicate his preference.
I know you are joking... but using DNA signing is a perfectly valid biometric method for user identification/verification.
Best Wishes,
-David Delaune
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I wasn't joking...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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yeah... but retrofitting that to a rock would be tough.
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I have a better solution.
Line up the candidates, and walk the voters past them. Each voter indicates his preference by cutting the candidate of his choice with a knife. The candidate with the most cuts takes office.
Software Zen: delete this;
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When the outcome may be worth billions to someone (company, country,...), there's no way enough money would be spent to architect and implement a 'hackproof' system.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Aliens and cosmic rays worry me the most, followed by demons, and sixteen-year-olds with pimples in eastern Europe.
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
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There are no aliens, you're already foiling cosmic rays with your tinfoil hat, and demons are the good guys (it's God and his angels who make the innocent suffer).
But I'll agree that pimply-faced youths, in whatever country, are the biggest involuntary-poop inciters of the age.
Ter'r'rists? Pfft! Spotty "because I can!"* and "I hate grown-ups!" teenagers are the greatest risk to society as we know it.
* Nine times out of eleven, it's "Because I can download scripts!"
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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