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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: everyone-is-a-programmer
This I can relate to. It gets really frustrating. I think they should put up a sound proof room and a punching bag in office to let out the anger.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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+100 
Jeremy Falcon
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I haven't purchased a programming book in almost 15 years.
I think I've only purchased 1 in the last 10 so I know what you mean. I'm still old fashioned though, when I want to learn a new technology I want a printed book.
To learn new bits and pieces of things I always find what I need on the internet. But I really want to be lazy and have a book walk me through learning MVC.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Bad idea IMHO. I prefer cohesive and rational material rather than picking every single time what I think I need on google.
I think that it is precisely this course of action that made the new generations of programmers for the most part complete idiots unable to solve high school level problems without googling - or asking in the QA.
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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I disagree. There is literally so much you have to know that it's impossible to retain it all. I've given up trying to retain much. I have a text file that contains the extremely useful links, broken down by platform (WPF, ASP.Net, MVC, etc), but I make little/no effort to remember anything. Of course, I'm old and have been doing this for over 35 years.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I agree with both of you. People rely too much on google and don't learn the fundamentals, meaning they take code that works but don't know why, but you are also right in that there is too much to remember. Nothing wrong with looking something up real quick.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I was trying to express precisely what you said but my eloquence in the English language is still lagging behind.
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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(Good) Books hold concepts and thought patterns, the informations are proposed as a single unit with every facet linked to the others. It is literally a corpus of information, while the single pick is best left to google (i.e. what the flock are again the return values of function xyz()?).
Many books nowadays are very poorly written, thus useless but still... for example I still do not understend anything about WPF. The MSDN is only a collection of objects, members and syntaxes. Useless. The books we have here in office are no more than tutorial for single things we don't need. What I'd like is a freaking book with the logical representation of WPF, it's key components and how do they interact between each other. THEN I would make use of the MSDN.
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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You are correct sir. Sometimes you need a good book instead of the piecemeal way of learning the Internet alone provides. The Internet is wonderful but it cannot replace a book where someone took the time to write down things from A-Z instead of 30 mins writing a single page of content on a website.
Jeremy Falcon
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Professional ASP.NET MVC 5
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Thank you. The first useful reply. 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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What did you expect? It's Friday the 13th, and on CP. Just be glad we didn't say CListCtrl.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: be glad we didn't say CListCtrl.
Too late. 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Jeremy Falcon
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I used the Wrox Professional ASP.NET MVC3 book away back when that was the current version, it was great to get going. I also relied heavily on the free PluralSight videos on this page, ASP.NET MVC | The ASP.NET Site
I went from minimal (i.e. near nothing) C# and no MVC to put together my uni final project web based KPI management solution using these two resources.
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Thank you. 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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@petepjksolutionscomm aren't you supposed to set CCC today?
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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It's Friday - Give the man (and the rest of us a break)
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Oh...didn't knew that.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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Pompey doesn't like the CCC is all - it runs Monday to Friday, but clearly pkfox is letting mere employment get in the way of important things...
We'll make him do it Monday instead!
@petepjksolutionscom
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Meagre mere mortal they are.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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It doesn't do much for me either but hey whatever floats the collective boats of the three of four of you that do like it, who are we to get in your way. 
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It's more like four or five of us.
Slogans aren't solutions.
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Sorry chaps OG is correct - work and I completely forgot - will put one up on Monday 
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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Don't apologise......you are not getting paid to provide one, so it is on your terms when you do!
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