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It can kill people as well.
Particularly when you try to take it away from me.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I think that's dogs.
(both ways: dogs might kill your cat, and: chocolate might kill your dog.)
Sin tack ear lol
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: must be a lot younger than you.
"I was so much older, then; I'm younger than that now" : [^]
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
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Do any of you use a MAC to program?
Leadership equals wrecked ship.
If you think you are leading my look behind you. You are alone.
If you think I am leading you, You are lost.
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*sniff sniff*\
Devs never use any type of computer. We're all so rad we just set the bits manually using very small magnets.
veni bibi saltavi
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I prefer the hex keyboard, CPU in load mode, no software involved.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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My first job, we had a mini that could be programed from the flip switches on the front. There were some jobs that it was just easier to do with that then fire up terminals et al. 
veni bibi saltavi
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The original model indeed also had switches. The hex keyboard was an improvement. Internally, both connected in the same way and both could be used in 'load mode' or accessed as input ports when running the program.
Edit: Let me Leslie my picture from last week.[^]
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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And a compass to read them back!
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Forget it. In the first lecture I ever heard the professor decided to start with something simple and proved the existence of magnetic monopoles[^] (Please no jokes that might discriminate someone from Poland!)
Anyway, you will not get far with a compass when we use those monopoles.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Yeah, but that's all quantum, so I'd just need a lot smaller compass.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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No (our software is Windows only for now).
But, really, what is your question ?
I'd rather be phishing!
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Thankfully no. I tried doing some Ruby on Rails programming on a Mac once, the keyboard drove me nuts, the OS drove me nuts, and of course RoR wasn't helping.
Marc
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Let's be honest Marc... it's a very short drive. 
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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Yes[^], though I don't code fuzzy logic algorithms with it.
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Yep.. I use the following tools:
- XCode (Swift for iOS)
- Xamarin Studio
- JetBrains Rider (ASP.NET Core)
- JetBrains WebStorm (for Angular 2 mostly)
Most of it works on Linux and Windows as well, with the exception of XCode 
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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Had to do a quick and dirty port of a .Net prog to Mac - one time demo. Figured ok, build a Mac VM (max 15 minute job for a VPC). What a nightmare, fart around trying magic and incantations to get the VM to work, then try to install xcode and xamarin, sorry this version needs that version - gives version umbers but when you look for it it's all sorts of stupid names like "Mountain Duck" and "Ill Clapitrap."
Unlike Win, finding an older versions for the mac is, well, it simply isn't. And joining their store thing, what a forking forkup of forking forks that is, they want to take over your life, own your email and contacts, own your phone even if it's droid, and sign you up to 1000 mailing lists every second screen, and then still install a boatload of sh*t on your PC... FFS fork that!
OK, find matching versions of OS and bits required, start over, (build new vm...) still a good full day to get it dev functional.
Finally got the app running on the VM, but still have to jump through hoops and straighten a carton of banana's to get it to function on the friends native mac, some sort of app wrapper required so you can install something you can double click on, plus runtime machine needs xcode installed (which doesn't add it to the path), blah, blah, bloody blah.... (In the end wrote a quick shell script and asked my friend to install xcode and run the app via file manager in his email attachments folder.)
Quick and dirty job on a mac: all up 4 days and literally a headache (windows equivalent: 4 minutes, maybe 10 min on a bad day). Admittedly I was just seat of the pantsing it, and trying to take shortcuts - didn't help, it's do it the apple way, or do it the apple way.
So much for xamarin being the magic making '.net easily portable'; porting .net apps developed on windows to the mac: as simple as house training a canary using the same methods used to house train a dog.
Sin tack ear lol
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Lopatir wrote: Figured ok, build a Mac VM
There's your problem.. if you want to code on a Mac, get a Mac 
I find MacOS the easiest to use out of all three OS's. Ubuntu it quite neat too, I like that a lot. I use Windows only when there's no other choice. I've been coding .NET on Windows since 2005 but really happy with the .NET Core route they're going down at the moment.
Personally, I'll be glad when the day comes that I no longer need Windows.
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: There's your problem.. if you want to code on a Mac, get a Mac
Agree, but had less than a week and no budget (favor for a friend).
Brent Jenkins wrote: Personally, I'll be glad when the day comes that I no longer need Windows.
Also agree, but the customer is king, and just as for the mac programming on the native box is the only choice.
(Tried vm-ing windows from linux/freebsd but it was just a hassle as all of the paid work was on Windows, never enough time/chance/energy to work/play on the host so all it did was make boot times longer and bottleneck talking native to attached devices.)
Sin tack ear lol
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Lopatir wrote: Tried vm-ing windows from linux/freebsd but it was just a hassle as all of the paid work was on Windows, never enough time/chance/energy to work/play on the host so all it did was make boot times longer and bottleneck talking native to attached devices.
I've found the same, hence why I've got a machine for each OS. Expensive, but I think it's the most practical (i.e. non-hacky) way and it encourages you to get used to using each OS rather than just falling back to what you're comfortable with
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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I have a copy of every OS for the Mac, including variants for the Power Computing Corp Macs.
I used to work at Apple and took a "copy" of each when I left (once authorized accordingly).
Thing is, though, I am not allowed to share them.
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No, because I'm not a hippy.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I don't develop for Appke devices so no. If I had to I'd use it - its better to have a feel of the OS your SW wuill be running on.
CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
"Go ahead, make my day"
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Some would, logically, but most would not since it is not required and does not add value to the end product.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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