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Brent Jenkins wrote: I don't have anything against anyone, but when a street in Wales fills up with Polish shops and cafes and the locals can't understand what people on the street are saying, you can see how resentment builds up.
I'm sure that the Celts felt the same way when the Saxons showed up, and then there's how the Saxons felt when the Norse showed up, etc. Notice that the Welsh generally speak English now, cultural change has happened before hasn't it? And certainly that caused a lot of resentment, but the Wales of your youth is the product of such changes.
If you want to get rid of the Polish speakers, what about the English speakers? Get rid of them too for not being "Welsh" enough? How many would be left?
People tend to see the culture of their youth as the bedrock of traditional culture and feel that they are losing out when culture changes in their later years. This has always been the case, cultures are always in flux and shaped by external influences, the only static cultures are dead ones.
Your country is changing. It has always been changing, and it always will. But Wales is still Wales.
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StatementTerminator wrote: I'm sure that the Celts felt the same way when the Saxons showed up, and then there's how the Saxons felt when the Norse showed up, etc. Notice that the Welsh generally speak English now, cultural change has happened before hasn't it? And certainly that caused a lot of resentment, but the Wales of your youth is the product of such changes.
The difference here is in the numbers.. our population has increased by 10 million over the last 10 years or so - that a 20% increase (actually one of our largest supermarket chains has estimated our population has risen to over 80 million, an increase of 60%!!). We're also not living back in Roman times - and it's worth bearing in mind that the Saxons/Vikings/Norman "migrations" resulted in a lot of violence. Is that what we should "learn to live with" perhaps? That doesn't really bode well for those of us having this imposed on our families, does it?
StatementTerminator wrote: If you want to get rid of the Polish speakers, what about the English speakers? Get rid of them too for not being "Welsh" enough? How many would be left?
There are some in Wales that would go along with this. Back in the 80's we had trouble with a Welsh group called Meibion Glyndwr (sons of [Owain] Glyndwyr).. again, back to the violence.
Perhaps the takeway from this might be: uncontrolled migrations of huge numbers of people always ultimately leads to violence.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: BBC, I'm looking at you!
I've observed BBC leaving out parts of a news item to control the impression of the viewer. The streaming "EURONEWS" seems to select articles (about a certain region of the earth) that always have a spin to show one of the parties in a bad light (no matter who did what) and omit news that would make them look good.
But the biggest loudest screamers about fake news are its prime believers and creators.
And I saw a vehicle (yes, a pick-up) that had multiple stickers all over the tailgate proclaiming their obeisance to such pristine sources as infowars.com.
Some comments I made this year:
Unfortunately, for the vast majority, people know what they know only if it's what they want to know. - January 29 2016
A comment on the political decision making capabilites of the current generation: "Competent is Boring" - May 6 2016
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W∴ Balboos wrote: But the biggest loudest screamers about fake news are its prime believers and creators.
That's always the way.
Anyone who knee-jerk accuses everyone else of doing something only thinks that way because it's what he would do.
My favourite example is conspiracy theorists, who always demand that secret meetings be held, to discuss what to do about conspiracies.
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The biggest government conspiracies of them all:
2 - Subsidizing the Aluminum industry with false stories about it's protective properties
1 - Creating a conspiracy to create conspiracy theories.
3 - Sneaky manipulation of ordered lists to cause confusion
5 - see (1)
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W∴ Balboos wrote: 1 - Creating a conspiracy to create conspiracy theories.
As described by (wait for it..) the BBC.. 
Cambridge scientists consider fake news 'vaccine' - BBC News
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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Presuming the article, itself, isn't fake news (gratuitous inclusion):
Their plan will end up in a zero-sum game as the fake-news designers can do all of the same things, get the same results, and ultimately, create what are effectively susceptibility-gene-pools of users hardened totally against any opposing views to those they've been given (and typically actually wanted).
The only solution to fake news is for people to stop being stupid - which is a different genetic issue than that metaphoric usage in the preceding paragraph. Here, even her at CP[^], there are any number of people with otherwise excellent analytical capabilities happy to suck up the pablum of deceit because it confirms their life-view.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: The only solution to fake news is for people to stop being stupid
The problem here is that our education system has been dumbed down and political correctness applied across the board. Nothing can be discussed or taught that may offend anyone (except white British male heterosexuals - all the world's problems are our fault!  ).
What we've got now is a nation of young adults who take clueless celebrities views of the world as the "truth" and have no idea of how to actually think through a problem themselves (especially when the obvious outcome is something that goes against their politically correct conditioning in school).
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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Several problems with your interpretations:
The dumbing down, at least in the US, was started deliberately during the Reagan administration by his Secretary of Education, William Bennett. That was, in fact, why he was put into that office.
Calling things you don't like "Politically Correct" to disparage them is, is itself, in fact an identical concept to political correctness - joining a different pack and using their jargon. Same sh*t - same smell.
Now - the real problem is an attitude that stems to no small degree from an educational system that is run (to a very large extent) by former English teachers. Their world view does not include math or science to any reasonable extent. Teacher's salaries, compared to the private sector, really suck if you're an employable person (math, science, in particular). Analytical thinking is not taught because we're now in yet another generation of people who would rather pull out a calculator than do math, and have expanded upon it, to using their GPS travel guide rather then look at a map so they know where the hell they are, etc. etc. etc. Several generations of people who'd pay $100 for sneakers. This social conditioning was done NOT by the government, but by business. Real Cooked Food -> TV-Dinner -> Fast-food-drive-through.
Did you ever see the movie "Logan's Run" ? That's where we are headed, socially and intellectually. Dumb people are good for business. They upgrade their $600 phone for a new one every year; more often if they could.
Then, again, everyone in the hive cannot be the queen bee.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: The dumbing down, at least in the US, was started deliberately during the Reagan administration by his Secretary of Education, William Bennett. That was, in fact, why he was put into that office.
In the UK, it was started long ago too.. it's not a new thing.
W∴ Balboos wrote: Calling things you don't like "Politically Correct" to disparage them is, is itself, in fact an identical concept to political correctness - joining a different pack and using their jargon. Same sh*t - same smell.
I agree to a point. Political correctness is a something that has been openly promoted by the UK establishment (and led by government agencies). It's not a way to slander someone, it's a fact of life here. It may be different in the US.
W∴ Balboos wrote: Did you ever see the movie "Logan's Run" ? That's where we are headed, socially and intellectually. Dumb people are good for business. They upgrade their $600 phone for a new one every year; more often if they could.
One my favourite films. I doubt the future will be so pleasant (even if it was only for 30 years per person, there was at least some kind of civilisation in place). Things tend to decline rapidly and chaotically when they go.
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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You forgot the biggest one:
0 - getting people to believe that Hilton and Kardassian are talented
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How do you know if the article is genuine? It could be fake news about fake news (meta fake news?).
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Would fake fake news not be real news again?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
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No. It's just a higher order of falsehood.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
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Two wrongs make a wrongwrong.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Two wrongs make a wrongwrong.
I'm not sure about that but I do know that two Wright's made an airplane. 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Well, to be honest, I'd believe Trump slapped someone for disagreeing with him as well.
What's more sad, the fact that this is fake news or the fact that so many people believe a world leader would do such a thing?
Honestly though, a president slapping someone seems ridiculous, even for Trump, but it's very hard to tell real news from fake news sometimes.
It's dangerous though, it can (, has and will) spark fear and hate among people who believe such "news".
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The New Year attacks in Cologne were suppressed for weeks across British (and I believe German) media. Apparently the German Government has been working with Facebook to remove "fake news" posts and many of the people posting about these attacks had their posts taken down by Facebook.. so under the guise of "protecting the public from fake news" real serious news was suppressed.
I think it was one of the alt-right news sites in the UK that eventually broke the story. They were ignored, then vilified as "purveyors of fake news" but when the enormity of the story finally broke through, they started putting up their own massaged versions..
Scary times indeed, it's almost impossible to know who to trust (safest to trust none of them).
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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These [^] new year attacks?
Who to trust, eh?
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No, I was talking about the ones in Cologne^ (like I wrote!)..
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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Oops - my bad - I'd seen a link earlier about Cologne-style attacks & read Cologne attacks - looks like it's my eyes/brain that can't be trusted.
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Fake eyes!
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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This is particularly interesting..
Quote: Criticism of late media reporting[edit]
Several media outlets at first did not cover the story and, according to Jörg Luyken, only started reporting on the incidents on 5 January, after a wave of anger on social media made covering them unavoidable.[49] This delay was criticised by several politicians, including Hans-Peter Friedrich.[203] The public television channel ZDF later acknowledged that they had failed to report on the incidents despite having sufficient knowledge to do so.[204][205]
ZDF later called the delay in reporting a "clear misjudgment", and said since then, it has been "over-whelmed with hate and anger".[187] This has reinforced discontent previously held by parts of the German public with news coverage relating to the European migrant crisis, as well as a readiness to support the idea of the "Lügenpresse" (literally lying press).[187][206]
The delay in reporting on the assaults in the media lead to accusations that the authorities and the media attempted to ignore or cover up the attacks to avoid criticism against the current asylum and migration policy of the government.[1][207][208] The BBC's Gavin Hewitt wrote, "What has fuelled the sense of crisis is the suspicion - now widely held - that the German establishment is not telling the truth."[187]
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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Hmm,
I believe you should post that kind of stuff in the soapbox next time.
When they wake up on the other side of the pond it might get out of hand a bit.
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... couldn't resist[^] 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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