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W∴ Balboos wrote: and they make you pay an annual fee to own a telly, too?
You can own it for free, but you need to pay a "licence fee" to the BBC to watch anything (even if it's not on the BBC).
It's also a criminal offence to watch TV without a licence..^
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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Brent Jenkins wrote:
It's also a criminal offence to watch TV without a licence..
The "founding fathers" of the US - when breaking away from the UK - apparently showed even more insight than I realized.
Why does anyone stay ? ?
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Why does anyone stay ? ?
Can't afford to leave - spent everything on TV licences
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Why does anyone stay ? ?
For the National Health Service.
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We've got good beer and Morris dancing 
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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We've got better beer.
And NO Morris dancing!
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Because Pepsi, Dominos etc don't dictate what opinions we are allowed to express on our TV, or what themes our TV programs can cover. It always amuses me when Americans express incredulity at the license fee but don't understand just how much of what they watch is dictated from and controlled by Coca Cola and Pepsi.
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Beware of that double-edged sword!
Aside from our having PBS (no commercials, public donations support), the same problem with the likes of Pepsi and Dominoes deciding what to sponsor also means they'll cow-tow to the public's norms. Still no nipples and nudity (at least until late at night). Also, we've so many cable stations that whatever you want to see can be seen.
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Your BBC is (de facto) completely government run - so you'll see what they want you to see and think what they want you to think. I doubt Brexit will clear that up very much.
Two glass houses - lots of stones. What would Putin say?
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Your argument is based on ignorance (both of the UK and also how much of US TV is controlled by corporations and to what extent) so there isn't any point in addressing it.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: Your argument is based on ignorance
Mine . . . or apparently, yours?
Not only on how US-TV is run, but on what I do or do not know about UK-TV.
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The BBC definitely has it's own agenda that it pushes on everyone.. there's no way anyone can say it's an unbiased source of information.
Criticism of the BBC - Wikipedia
Not only that but outside of the UK the BBC acts as a commercial company already.
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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Cool story bro.
But Pepsi still don't dictate what we see on our TV.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: Cool story bro.
Story? 
F-ES Sitecore wrote: But Pepsi still don't dictate what we see on our TV.
If it was Pepsi, then it's agenda would be obvious. I think that whoever is pulling strings at the BBC has a much wider agenda. I'm personally more worried about that than anything Pepsi could come up with. You should be too.
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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Wow, you really have no idea, do you? First off America's media has just as much left-wing bias as the BBC (look at the recent election coverage for example), but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the makers of TV programs not covering certain topics in their shows for fear of corporations withdrawing advertising. If Pepsi don't like the message your sitcom is giving then your sitcom drops those messages. If Visa don't want Mythbusters testing the security of contactless payments then Mythbusters don't test the security of contactless payments (*). What you see on mainstream shows is controlled by big corporations and their individual political agendas, you just don't know it.
* I know you're now going to google this and tell me that story isn't true as it was redacted by Adam Savage, but who is to say he didn't do that from the influence of their legal team and the proof of the pudding is that when they did finally look at contactless payments the security aspect of it was left out.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: Wow, you really have no idea, do you?
I'm British, I do have an idea. I've lived and worked around the world so I'd suggest that you tone the arrogance down a notch or two.
F-ES Sitecore wrote: I'm talking about the makers of TV programs not covering certain topics in their shows for fear of corporations withdrawing advertising.
As opposed to media companies changing or suppressing news items that don't suit their agendas? That's happening every day here in the UK.
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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Sorry I didn't realise you're not even American but are arguing about how American TV is censored. Didn't realise the extent to which I was wasting my time.
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"Your BBC is (de facto) completely government run"
Up to a point, Lord Copper.
It's interesting that, despite the right wing Tory government apparently "running the BBC", Tories always accuse the BBC of left wing bias and anti-Tory sentiment. Conversely, the left see the BBC as having a bit of a right-wing spin and being pro-establishment. So it's probably about right in its even handedness.
The BBC is run by a board of trustees and has a board of governors. I'm sure the government of the day, whatever hue, would like to control it's output and propaganda, though.
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Well, most of what I watch is dicated by Jack Daniels.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Suddenly I realize: UK programs such as "Foyle's War" are for export-only.
Probably because of the uproar the historical inaccuracies would provoke.
If you want the realities of the war...[^]
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I built a computer that we use for web/NAS stuff. The TV connects to it via a home theater receiver. The TV itself is not connected to the internet, but I can still stream Netflix, et al...
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Similar, here - I bought a refurbished Dell Optiplex (with installed video card for HDMI) for that purpose. Also - used it yesterday, during snow-storm-that-wasn't to work remotely.
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According to your microwave, you spend so much time in the kitchen getting snacks there is no point in monitoring the tv.
veni bibi saltavi
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Don't believe the microwave! It's been jealous every since I bought the induction cooking surface.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: You turn it on and it goes through a setup. Aside from local date and time, I aborted the rest. In addition, I didn't give it any sort of connection to the internet.
Same here... but without 4K
Not only no internet to the TV (but yes to the laptop connected to it), I didn't even plugged the antenna since we don't see usual TV. Only films or things like that. Public Library on my town is for free and have a good load of DVDs if you don't mind to see them with 6 to 12 months delay...
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
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