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Brent Jenkins wrote: Christianity generally worked to improve the levels of education, health and civil behavior.
That's christianity's narrative. In fact, the church had a strong policy that the worshipers don't need to read - the clergy will do it for them - doing their part to keep Europe in the Dark Ages. Civil behavior? How many Jews they tortured, burned, raped, murdered . . . with teaching the church got underway in the 4th century. Or the church's OK for the Lord of the Manner to f*ck each maiden on her wedding night before the groom gets a taste? The Inquisition (a money/property grab). Health? You're ill because you sinned . . . Actually, just look through western history and you'll see the church taking it's $$ cut from essentially all the hell this planet's surface has endured.
The above-mentioned faith, calling it's champion the "Prince of Peace" - sounds an awful lot like the current drama of misery - where they call themselves "The Religion of Peace".
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W∴ Balboos wrote: OK for the Lord of the Manner to f*ck each maiden on her wedding night before the groom gets a taste
Think you've been watching too much Braveheart.. you know, that Scottish "true life" movie written by an Iowa farmer who believes he's related to William Wallace but has never been to the UK 
Do you really think people would put up with that kind of behaviour here in the UK?
Civil behaviour? Yes, compare Europe (and nations colonised by Brits especially) with most other parts of the world.
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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II. The jus primae noctis as a power display in the late Middle Ages
We have quite a few examples showing how the popular belief in a former jus primae noctis influenced social relations between lords and peasants in Switzerland, France and Catalonia in the 15th and 16th centuries. One of these stems from a Swiss village in the vicinity of Zurich. In a customal from about 1400 A.D., the rights of the inhabitants of Maur were itemised by the local "Meier", a representative of the lord of Maur, which at that time was the convent of Zurich. "Item, who wants to enter the holy state of marriage in the village and court of Maur, whoever he may be, shall hand over the woman to Us for the first night or he may buy her out, as it is custom and tradition and written in the old customals. If he doesn't do so, he must pay a fine of 30 pennies." (STAZ [Staatsarchiv des Kantons Zürich]. Urkunden Stadt und Land Nr. 2563; copy of the 15th century, cf. Wettlaufer 1999: 251). One hundred and fifty years later, the text had been slightly altered: in the 1543 version, written by a successor of the first editor, one reads "... and when the wedding starts, the bridegroom shall allow the sergeant to lie with his bride for the first night, or he shall buy her off with 5 pounds and 4 pennies." (STAZ C. I 2562, [1543 AD] cf. Wettlaufer 1999: 255).
And do recall, this was church sanctioned.
I'll take it a step further in that the Church did its utmost to cover up what they should have condemned - but didn't. A habit they brought into the 21st Century.
Oh - yes - did I mention Castrati ?
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1) I live in Britain, so I'll guess that none of this applied here.
2) Have you any ideas about the logistics of organising such an event? I mean, getting every single bride and lining them up for a handful of landowners..? Most landowners would have more important things to be doing with their time. It'd be impossible to implement in reality and was probably only used very rarely by a minority of an already very small minority.
3) You're living in the US. You have free speech, democracy, education, rule of law - all of these are founded upon our (and again I speak as an atheist) Christian heritage.
It seems fashionable these days to find every fault with Western/European culture while ignoring every problem originating from other places. Even getting back to the original topic, it's only taken a couple of days for our own media to turn the killer into the victim ("us nasty racist white people made him do it").
How London attacker Khalid Masood snapped because of racism in his village - then went to jail and became radicalised
Personally, I'm sick to death of it.
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: 3) You're living in the US. You have free speech, democracy, education, rule of law - all of these are founded upon our (and again I speak as an atheist) Christian heritage.
These principals - and all the equality that goes with them, are derived from Masonic principals. A good half the "founding fathers" were Freemasons.
And NOTABLY absent from your list - but NOT from our Bill of Rights: Freedom of Religion.
In fact - recognition of "all good men of faith" as worthy brothers in their ranks - is why, to this very day, thy are vilified by so many religious teachings. England? They can join in common principals with Spain: having banned the Jews (Shakespeare, whilst writing Merchant of Venice, may never have met a Jew). The church certainly didn't cry out to prevent these events, or, certainly in the case of Spain, profit from them.
That omission from your list, freedom of religion - that alone - disproves your imaginings that christian teachings had anything really to do with these principals. The thing is you were educated in a country with a national religion! I wonder how that effects the view of history?
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Well, like it or not our culture is founded on white European Christianity. Everything we have achieved, how we think and behave, all stems from that heritage.
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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Great. We've gone full circle! And so:Brent Jenkins wrote: Everything we have achieved, how we think and behave, all stems from that heritage.
includes most of two millennium involved in a series of genocides. Opposition to any thinking that may contradict the dogma in their (open to interpretation!) rule book, their appended version of the bible.
Just like where I started out: The Jihadi's have quite a ways to go to catch up to the horrors brought on us by christendom. They're working hard on catch-up.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: protect us from the one nutter every few years
Of course you're forgetting the foiled attempts. 12 last year in the UK. Which would bring it closer to a nutter a month. with varying degrees of casualties and probably result in more restrictions than you currently put up with. Airports closed for days, enormous queues at any public attraction. Being searched when you enter any public place etc.
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Marvelously absurd!
Nothing's happened to you (yet?) so all the efforts spent on stopping that were a waste?
Like vaccinations: OK - everyone gets vaccinated. You didn't catch that disease so you whine the vaccination was a waste. And - if it didn't take on one-in-a-million then you consider it all a waste because it didn't meet your view of perfection.
Better to just whine that the government's trying to keep tabs on these should-have-been-still-born filth.
So - after a paragraph of attempting to ridicule a sad reality you complain the money spent stopping those that didn't occur (and thus, didn't make big news headlines) is all a waste.
Sounds to me like you'd like to open the field wide for your buddies-with-the-knives, and hope there is only one nutter every few years. Rectal Orifice.
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If you don't know the difference between an accident involving a car and intentional murder using a car as a weapon hen you are a bigger idiot than you appear.
Oh, and as for surveillance, it has foiled many terrorist attacks over the years. If you don't know how hen you really are ignorant.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: I am a troll
Really?
We'd never have guessed.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Media tells us he is working alone; seven arrests made and six properties raided. Media won't disclose any information about attacker but raids are in Birmingham where there are huge enclaves of Muslim communities. Apologists already out in force to plead that not all Muslims are terrorists. When the media can no longer withhold information that the attacker is a Muslim already known to the police we'll be told they have a mental illness. Then next month the attacks will be coming to a town near you.
What a tedious treadmill we all find ourselves on.....
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: we'll be told they have a mental illness
Fanatism should be recognized as such.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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A tedious treadmill of gutter press miss-information being passed off as valid comment we find ourselves having to listen to you mean?
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No, that's not what I meant but thanks for taking part 
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: Apologists already out in force to plead that not all Muslims are terrorists.
Yeah, same as the "apologists" who "plead" that not all Christians are paedophiles. 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
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Don't recall seeing much of that at all. In fact probably the exact opposite.
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My point still stands: the vast majority of Christians aren't paedophiles, just as the vast majority of Muslims aren't terrorists.
Unfortunately, we live in a world where it's necessary to regularly point that out to the crowds of rabid morons who think that the entire group is responsible for the actions of a tiny minority. It won't stop the hard-core wuckfits from blaming every member of the group, but it might help the borderline imbeciles stop and think before they launch an attack on innocent members.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
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The point is that the vast majority of Christians aren't paedophiles, don't support paedophiles, would report paedophiles to the police, and when paedophiles are discovered they focus on showing their disgust for the individual rather than trying to diminish the crime and take attention away from the crime by focusing on the fact that not all Christians are paedos. When paedophiles are discovered the media likewise fully reports on the matter and condemnation is public and widespread and that is how societal attitudes are formed.
On the other hand when Muslim terror attacks happen the media spends most of its energy apologising and diminishing the crimes, dragging focus onto how not all Muslims are like this etc, despite many recent polls showing that many Muslims (all Muslims) sympathise with terrorist attacks and actually support them. They think these attacks are justified. Show me a poll where 50% of Christians think the victims of paedophilia deserve it.....
That's the difference.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: many Muslims (all Muslims) sympathise with terrorist attacks and actually support them
Thank you for proving my point so clearly. Whilst there are still wuckfits who believe that "many" or "all" Muslims "support terrorist attacks", it is still necessary to remind people that that this is not the case.
Not to "diminish the crime", or "take attention away from the crime". Just to stop bigoted arseholes from attacking an entire community for the actions of a tiny number of its members.
The whole point of Islamist terrorism is to turn the rest of the world against all Muslims. If you're using a terrorist attack to demonize all Muslims, then you're a "useful idiot" doing the terrorists' job for them.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
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That's what polls say, if you choose to ignore polls simply because they don't agree with your conceptions of people then maybe you're the wuckfit and this is why we're sleepwalking into a barbaric, backwards world - people like you refuse to wake up and see what's really happening.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: That's what polls say,
What, the polls which were so accurate at predicting Brexit?
Or the polls which accurately predicted the results of the US presidential election?
F-ES Sitecore wrote: if you choose to ignore polls
I notice you haven't provided a link to a single poll, let alone one from a reputable source with figures to back up your "all Muslims support terrorists" claims.
Meanwhile, the MCB have issued a statement[^] condemning yesterday's attack. Quite an odd thing to do if, as you claim, every Muslim "supports terrorist attacks".
F-ES Sitecore wrote: this is why we're sleepwalking into a barbaric, backwards world
We're sleepwalking into a barbaric, backwards world because some scumbags take every opportunity to exploit a tragedy to push their own bigoted agenda. 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Richard Deeming wrote: What, the polls which were so accurate at predicting Brexit?
You're talking about predicting the result of a poll, that's a different thing.
Richard Deeming wrote: I notice you haven't provided a link to a single poll, let alone one from a reputable source with figures to back up your "all Muslims support terrorists" claims.
I didn't claim all Muslims support terrorism. Do you really think I would say something like that? Credit me with some intelligence please. When I said the poll was Muslims (all Muslims) I meant that all Muslims were polled, not just those in Guantanamo Bay for example, ie that is was as fair a representation as you're likely to get.
Richard Deeming wrote: We're sleepwalking into a barbaric, backwards world because some scumbags take every opportunity to exploit a tragedy to push their own bigoted agenda.
No, we're sleepwalking into a barbaric state because we're taken on an ever expanding Muslim population where half of which think homosexuality should be illegal, half think homosexuals should not be teachers, a third think the wife is less equal than the husband and so....yet people like yourself simply dismiss these things as "racist" and "bigoted agenda".
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: When I said the poll was Muslims (all Muslims) I meant that all Muslims were polled, not just those in Guantanamo Bay for example, ie that is was as fair a representation as you're likely to get.
OK, that's a better explanation. 
(If you re-read your previous post, I'm sure you can see how I came to the wrong conclusion about what you were saying.)
F-ES Sitecore wrote: half of which think homosexuality should be illegal, half think homosexuals should not be teachers
Sorry, are we back to talking about Christians again? 
F-ES Sitecore wrote: yet people like yourself simply dismiss these things as "racist" and "bigoted agenda".
No, what I'm dismissing is the people who actually do think or claim that most (or all) Muslims "support terrorism". The homophobic and misogynistic attitudes which are prevalent in some communities are totally unacceptable.
But this is a distraction from the original point: the need to remind some people that the majority of Muslims are not terrorists.
It would be nice to live in a world where that wasn't necessary. Where everyone understood that the actions of a tiny minority do not reflect the intentions of the entire group. But that's not the world we live in (yet).
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
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Richard Deeming wrote: I'm sure you can see how I came to the wrong conclusion about what you were saying
I fully agree it was badly worded...I even contemplated editing it after I posted it but CBA
Richard Deeming wrote: But this is a distraction from the original point: the need to remind some people that the majority of Muslims are not terrorists.
But an unacceptably large number support or sympathise with terrorism, and that's a big issue as going from supporting to doing is far easier than going from condemning to doing. Add to that their other prevalent attitudes that are not compatible with a free society like ours and there are huge issues ahead that no-one is facing up to.
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