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Brisingr Aerowing wrote: Hackers set off Dallas’ 156 emergency sirens over a dozen times | Ars Technica[^]
I hope whoever did this is caught and punished.
I hope whoever designed an emergency system to be that insecure is caught and punished.
The hack is rather a good thing as in it didn't cause any real danger, save for the extra hours the staff had to put in, but resulted in us knowing how unsafe that emergency system really is.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: The hack is rather a good thing
I really don't think that that kind of behaviour should be encouraged.
There's no way of knowing how many people suffered because they could not get through to the emergency services.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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People are dumb: you may alert of danger thousands of times and get only a shrug in response. But the second they get hurt they will finally, actually do something.
It's like teaching a child to watch where he puts his hands and to not play with sharp objects: you may tell him, yell him, punish him hundreds of times and he will learn only after having cut himself.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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If people don't have the human decency not to endanger others, then iron bars are the best thing for them.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: to be that insecure is caught and punished.
There's no indication of how secure or insecure it was, correct? It could be very secure. It probably is not very secure because I doubt they considered security too seriously.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Who does, before the harm? Those who do are labeled paranoid and cast away, until the time s**t hits the fan.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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RyanDev wrote: I doubt they considered security too seriously.
Which is basically what I was pointing out. Considering security should have been a part of their job.
If someone designing an emergency response system wasn't "considering security too seriously", they shouldn't have probably been allowed anywhere near a building where an emergency response system is designed.
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The storm siren systems were largely designed half a century ago. At that time coded radio signals that weren't publicly documented were a very effective security system. Now when any idiot can buy a software defined radio off the shelf not so much. And because phone networks/the internet/etc frequently collapse in disasters due to too many simultaneous use attempts, or generators running out of fuel or etc, even if the installations are modernized the legacy system can't be removed.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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But in a statement issued yesterday, Dallas City Manager T.C. Broadnax clarified the cause, saying that the “hack” used a radio signal that spoofed the system used to control the siren network. He would not go into details. "I don't want someone to understand how it was done so that they could try to do it again," Broadnax said. "It was not a system software issue, it was a radio issue."
Dallas has finally confirmed what I was speculating, that the person who set the system off attacked the radio activation system somehow not a computer system.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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If a system is out on the open, it's subject to attempts of hacking. Either the legacy system should be made secure, or be replaced with something else that's secure.
If neither is done, I don't see what keeps the system from being hacked again by the unscrupulous elements of the society. Given the fact that this is an emergency system, I see all the more reason to do something about this sooner than later.
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Found in the wild: Vault7 hacking tools WikiLeaks says come from CIA | Ars Technica[^]
Quote: Longhorn, as Symantec dubs the group, has infected governments and companies in the financial, telecommunications, energy, and aerospace industries since at least 2011 and possibly as early as 2007. The group has compromised 40 targets in at least 16 countries across the Middle East, Europe, Asia, Africa, and on one occasion, in the US, although that was probably a mistake.
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Damn those Russian and Chinese hackers!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Crickets...hmmm, how odd! Where are our self anointed moderators who believe political statements and conspiracy theories are considered inappropriate for SB?
Wait a second, I'll get their attention... Holocaust, Holocaust, Holocaust! 
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Modern tractors, essentially, have two keys to make the engine work. One key starts the engine. But because today's tractors are high-tech machines that can steer themselves by GPS, you also need a software key — to fix the programs that make a tractor run properly. And farmers don't get that key. Does Apple make tractors now?
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Sean Ewington wrote: Does Apple make tractors now?
If they do, then a steering wheel is a not-included accessory.
«When I consider my brief span of life, swallowed up in an eternity before and after, the little space I fill, and even can see, engulfed in the infinite immensity of spaces of which I am ignorant, and which know me not, I am frightened, and am astonished at being here rather than there; for there is no reason why here rather than there, now rather than then.» Blaise Pascal
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You also have to schedule an appointment to add gas or change the battery because it would be too convenient otherwise.
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At least the tractors don't get bricked by forced updates.
It's sharp practice, though. Service contracts should be optional, especially on things that are only a danger to crops.
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Can't wait until 2038 when we find out that Deere along with many other manufacturers are forced to admit they have an Epoch Bug
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Yup, then the deere will really be in the headlights.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Enterprise savings and benefits climb to $515 per-employee compared to sticking with Windows 7, company says "Using that pretend company" eh? My pretend company installed Windows 10, saved a million percent, then saved the world with one killer guitar solo.
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What a mind-blowing level of BS!
It's a work of art; it should be framed.
Then it could be put in a gallery with all the update-bricked winio machines, which save companies so much money.
Fave moment:Quote: 'If a salesperson goes to a customer with his Windows 7 device and says, "We will give you a Windows 10 environment,"
Because all every company ever does is sell winio, isn't it?
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The transition to internet protocol version 6 has opened up a whole new range of threat vectors that allow attackers to set up undetectable communications channels across networks, researchers have found. Defending against such IPv6 tunnelling attacks is very difficult with current NIDS.
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Why does it not surprise me?
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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So what you're saying is that if you upgrade your network to use IPv6, but are still using an IPv4 security box at the gateway it won't be able to stop you from getting pwnd? Shocking! 
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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