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Tee eighteen, then a proper drink.
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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I'll post an appropriate response at a latte time.
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I think I've read this joke before. Did you kaapi it from elsewhere?
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Coffee is for has beans...
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Such a brew-ha-ha over a beverage? Let me espresso my opinion: let this issue grind to a halt.
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How does it work in your company/teams?
Everybody knows everybody's salaries and grades?
I never felt this to be so cool, as it always landed in employees revolts.
An employee should look at his own work, contribution towards the project/team/company ,assess the situation himself & find out if the salary being paid to him is reasonable or not, than comparing the salaries with peers and take calls based on psychological triggers (That happens if things don't tally). Many times they choose to leave and land themselves in a poor work place. Like from the frying pan to the fire.
It'd be better if management issues a subtle direction to the young folks to keep these things confidential. (Until they grow older & learn the cunning tricks themselves) 
These freshers in team just sit together and compare the compensation letter field by field and feel relaxed, only if all them match dot by dot. lol
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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Here it's the law that works as a subtle direction to keep things confidential. Salaries, in the sense of this law, are confidential information between you and your employer. Disclosing them can get you fired.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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The rookie start-up owners want everything be "Flat" & "Open". & then pay the price.
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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Vunic wrote: want everything be "Flat" & "Open"
Terrible idea.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Where have I heard that before?
... oh yeah, the first chapter of Animal Farm.
Sin tack
the any key okay
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Why do I get to hear from Orwell all day already? I already had a chat with my boss about how political correctness relates to 1984's newspeak.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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You know, I think it's time I read that book.
Jeremy Falcon
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Maybe we should be paid by the number of legs we have. Two legs good. Four legs better...
We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.
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Perhaps I need to alter my profession and become 'Leg Implant Consultant' (LIC). Could be a substantial income base 'afoot'!
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Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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They're going to make everything fair.
Everything. Fair.
Everyone will have a house by the sea.
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The point of start-up companies is to test "the way things have always been done" and this is one more thing for them to test.
Maybe they will suffer for it, maybe they will profit from it - either way it will be actual objective data.
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Duncan Edwards Jones wrote: it will be actual objective data.
I think everything starts out that way.
Very little ends up that way, unfortunately.
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They are not public and aren't widely discussed, only between coworkers who trust a lot each other and often on single points of the salary (for example the compensation of non competition pacts) and not the whole lot.
That's exactly because it's extremely easy to spawn revolts or bitterness and create a darker workplace.
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* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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Grades, usually related to designation, are known to all, but not the salaries.
Each grade has a range of salaries. I have heard that the lowest salary of a particular grade is, more often than not, lesser than the highest salary of a lower grade.
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Amarnath S wrote: I have heard that the lowest salary of a particular grade is, more often than not, lesser than the highest salary of a lower grade.
Jeremy Falcon
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Each place I worked, there were job categories or titles and levels, each category and level had a lower and upper range.. your salary was somewhere in there.
You were told, or not, what your range was and what your salary was.
If you chose to divulge that, that's up to you.
In theory, your merit increase was based on an annual performance review, but, because only 'x' number of dollars was available to spread around, your review was largely based on what compensation you would receive - not on your work.
At my current position, it seems the talent pool is large enough to actually have a realistic performance review and associated merit increase.
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25 years ago, I worked for a well known company that did that. Every year, you'd also get a guaranteed raise, but if that raise crossed the upper threshold of the range, you were usually laid off.
(Our theory became that the company believed that you were supposed to get your new title before your salary crossed that limit and if not, then you were just an unmotivated employee taking advantage of automatic raises. I lost a guy on my team to this--he ended up at a now notorious company and eventually made bank on stock options.)
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As far as I'm concerned, all of my financial information is confidential. Other than myself, the only three entities that have full knowledge are (in descending order of importance) my wife, the tax authorities, and God. 
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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