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Oh dear sweet baby Bob.
There's a reason my phone just autocorrected "grid" as "gross" -- twice.
Grids are not to be used, particularly for input.
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 Agreed, but it's not my opinion that matters. I've got the thing built, and it's ugly as hell. The multiple file uploads idea is proving to be impossible, so at least that's one less thing. 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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kmoorevs wrote: I'm not asking for help, just ranting...'I picked a terrible week to quit smoking!' 
If not used as just a phrase, congratulations! I quit about two weeks ago FeelsGoodMan
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It's a misquote from this[^].
This space for rent
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I don't know, that doesn't sound too bad. I'll be curious to read about people's reactions.
Marc
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Sometime you just have to let stupidity fail, it just won't go away on its own.
Exeperience is a synonym for failures followed by successes.
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Within limitations I LIKE the design! Provided that as someone implementing it I am allowed to think of the design as a VIEW of the data. I wonder if the multiple uploads problem could be a red herring. When clicking on a grid, nobody works in more than one box at a time. So when wanting to work on an upload grid box, a pop-up screen can be used to capture the new data, url of the document / image, or use drag and drop. I would upload the file as soon as the grid box or row loses focus, or a button is clicked.
real multiple uploads would be dependent on there being multiple data entry points, with an 'Upload'/'Save' button at the bottom of the grid - it would need scrolling down to as the grid gets bigger which is bad news for the user. So don't have one, or put the text 'Upload/Save' on it but what it actually does is refresh the grid from the database underneath. This implements things the way you know is right, and does what the user needs too.
I would think of it as a 'management overview' screen that can summarize records already in the database with the ability to drill down into attachments, and the ability to launch the process of adding a new record (with a pop-up screen and/or drag and drop).
It is just that one user (the designer) would like this to be their home/default screen. If you provide the other screens you want to design, and let each user choose which screen they find useful. If in real life nobody uses the grid overview work screen, what is the harm in leaving it there.
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This is a very good design. Who do you think you are to criticize someone else's design ?
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Hopefully you have all your objections to the design recorded in writing. Document everything, and when things blow up and people blame you ... you have proof you disagreed with the design and were shot down.
Meeting minutes can be your friend ...
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I have experience this type of scenario before. do not let it worried you. some individual's get focus on what they think is a good thing. I say let some users test the software design, and get their feedback. That way if it is a bad design you will have the support of others to support your opinion.
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This designer sounds more like a typical end user.
I do a LOT of design work and good design is more than UI layout. It takes into account the usability of the resulting product including what it takes to create, deploy and maintain it. The goal being to strike a balance so as to derive the greatest bang for the buck all around.
Rant endorsed!
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I worked on a similar module in an application for a consulting assignment for a county police department.
I actually got the thing to work quite nicely; that is until the supervisor started adding changes to her requirements and made her own concept completely unwieldy.
I didn't have to worry about fixing the module since the department cancelled the project, cancelling my contract along with it.
I could have used similar grid design as your post describes but I realized the complexities of doing so and opted for a component-by-component based form since the requirements I received (initially) were quite static and would not be expected to expand.
Steve Naidamast
Sr. Software Engineer
Black Falcon Software, Inc.
blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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I'm sure you went over this, but
- There are more than five days in a week
- What happens when the number of vendors grows?
I'd be pretty likely to ask those questions in the demo, where (presumably) the boss-types are attending. I'd also be tempted to throw together the alternate idea and say, "So, here's another idea..."
On the surface, it seems as if your idea of "Hey, let's pick a vendor from a list, then update their order info (possibly doing a query in-between to see existing orders so the edit can be an update or insert) feels right.
Well, good luck with that. I hope it's not as painful as it sounds it's going to be.
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If you ever want someone to fail. Do what they asked!
In this case, I would use a tiny font, have a couple pixels of border in the cells.
Or I would do it nice and pretty with SCROLLBARS. Customers "Love" scrolling left/right up/down.
AND I would have a one day view, where they see the summary, click on the day, and do the details.
Come back to the summary, more like you are suggesting. Only work on the day view, that, of course,
fits nicely, clearly has multiple orders per client, etc. At least a graphic of it.
And I would HOLD BACK until the customer was just exasperated with her design, and I would whip out that graphic and say. Would this be better... It was another approach we were considering...
Good luck!
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I know you're not asking for help, but intelligent queuing for this bad design is needed. Upload each individually as they come in (are selected), and provide a status bar. Save them to a temp directory, and when you're done, you can move them around using the postback script. Think GMail, etc...
You won't get 25 "parallel" uploads to work efficiently...
And designers driving business rules? I'm glad I work where I do... I drive myself.
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Funny, the "Visual" Designer, can't grasp your concept. So build it, and let it come crashing down and let the higher ups deal with her.
Whatever happened to getting a design on a napkin and running with it
And it's never a bad week to quit smoking. The fact that her design already makes you nauseous you might as well go throw the withdrawal now.
You'll be glad down the road....about the design and just building it and quiting smoking...Maybe if you have a future craving you can think about that design and shudder..
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If you want to really kill it, just say: "You can do all that in Excel".
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Is there a fine line between numerator and denominator?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Only a very small fraction of the world's scientists is divided over this question.
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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OriginalGriff wrote: Is there a fine line between numerator and denominator?
I refuse to participate in irrational discussions.
Which explains my relationship life
Marc
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Fortunately for you, this discussion is about as rational as it can be (at least for the Lounge).
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Pi don't know about that!
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Listen everyone: I knew e'd bring that up.
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I refuse to participate in an imaginary discussion.
/ravi
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