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Quote: you can't buy: a good reputation for example.
You can throw it away very easily though.
Yes! A good reputation is like virginity. You lose it once and that's it!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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You lose it once and then you're screwed?
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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BA haven't had a good reputation for a long while - a strong brand name but it terms of quality and service I don't know anyone that would fly with them by choice, last time I did was 13-14 years ago.
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The problem with companies like BA who think it's a great idea to go offshore is not so much the quality they get off-shore, but the quality of their management. Start firing managers top down! 
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Good point. Offshore not only managers, but CEOs and directors. 
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I always wonder why they not are hiring the senior managment from these offshore markets.
I bet these managers would be really cheaper and not worser than the actual managment.
BTW: flipping a coin isnt the worst decision process. 
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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KarstenK wrote: flipping a coin isnt the worst decision process.
well, only 50% of the time. (given a fair coin, of course) 
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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MicroSoft (Sathya Nadella), Google (Sundar Pichai), etc., have hired offshore talent for management.
So have several US and European banks.
It is time that BA fired its chairman and hired someone out of India! 
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Vivic wrote: MicroSoft
Vivic wrote: Google
That should give the general idea of how a bad decision it would be!
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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KarstenK wrote: I always wonder why they not are hiring the senior managment from these offshore markets.
That is extraordinarily profound. (+)
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Can't say much but will be going 'there' to try and fix it. It is not the people 'there' themselves that are to blame, they can do it and are of good intent.
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So it's been confirmed BA's weekend fiasco was caused by an offshore IT team?
/ravi
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No, but uncle Matt from Nebrohoma read on the interwebz that BA offshored their work two years ago, and that's all he needs to know.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: No, but uncle Matt from Nebrohoma read on the interwebz that BA offshored their work two years ago, and that's all he needs to know.
Bloody Indians, coming over here and taking our jobs.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: Nebrohoma
Neither reference is KSS. Hybridized like that is bordering unholy!
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Munchies_Matt wrote: Offshoring, it is not worth it. The quality goes through the floor.
It's never been a good idea and this simply highlights that. My experience with offshoring is that it starts cheap and gets expensive.
To paraphrase Red Adair, "If you think it's expensive to hire local talent, wait till you offshore..."
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You wouldnt believe the crap I have seen coming from an offshore team. It was a driver. They had absoloutely no idea what they were doing, and cobbled together two code samples from the WDK.
It was as unstable as sh*t. Had as many variants as there were products (i was that closely coupled to the hardware).
Their git layout was a mess, their testing was ineffective, and their understanding of the technical domain and tools almost zero.
And a big, I mean massive, global company relied on them for this driver.
Needless to say that I, as a contractor, though expensive, was much cheaper than an entire office offshore, staffed by at least 6 to 10 people, and produced, in a few months, a better driver.
After the dev cycle was complete it was handed over to this offshore team to maintain! What a dumbass decision.
Oh well, it is their loss.
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Sounds pretty typical and it happens because boards put bean counters or "professional managers" in charge of IT - always doomed to failure. The best places I have worked at have had techies in charge of tech - nothing else works.
Perhaps this thread should be sent to the dumbass in charge at BA.
Side note: I have sworn by BA for years but no longer - American Airlines or Air New Zealand have a far better product and BA make it next to impossible to use Avios to book flights.
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I read somewhere that the problem began with a faulty power supply. Not that that was reliable information. And seriously, a power supply? To what, the Internet?
Marc
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Fight Club already explained this..
Quote: A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
British Airways, same thing.. if the cost of this is less than the cost of having IT based in the UK, then they're still winning.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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150 million it is costing them so far.
Lets say they saved 20K a year for those 700 jobs, that is only 14 million.
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That's what insurance is for
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Per year and someone mentioned 2 year ago so 28mil and they will have some sort of insurance coverage to mitigate the cost so they probably still see it as viable.
Assuming of course it was a software problem and not a power supply.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Someone mentioning 2 years ago is irrelevant, the news is reporting last year.
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