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I still have no clue what you're talking about. Tech is running the world, so how can it be nothing but BS?
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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That's a loooooong answer to a short question. It's not just tech actually. It's been my observation that in most industries actually a significant amount of people just simply do enough to get the job done and that's it. The more people you talk to you the more you realize just how many people are involved in the industry that don't know the first thing about what tech really is. Granted, there is more than one skill set in the world besides knowing bits and bites that is useful, but I digress.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: significant amount of people just simply do enough to get the job done and that's it
I get what you are saying. I often stumble upon this too. So much supposedly works but, in fact, doesn't actually work (see my recent rant on Nuget/Visual Studio).
I often feel like Systems are carried out to a certain place and then just dropped. Now we are at a a place where hundreds of systems are in place that are only partially carried out.
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I always just do what I have to, to get by...... Then I notice that there is just one more thing that I could do to make the outcome soooooo much better..... and then I do just that one thing. and on and on and then I am scrambling to get it all shinny to meet the deliverable schedule.
As far as BS. Hummmmm, does seem to be a lot more middle management involved now. That is good and bad. Mostly bad it seems.
Scrum, kind of necessary with the new gen of programmers, not so much with the silverbacks.
Got to go now, I just noticed a bit of code that needs just one more pass to make it soooo much better.
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RyanDev wrote: Tech is running the world, so how can it be nothing but BS?
My take on that is that more often than not, tech creates a solution for a problem that didn't exist, except in the mind of some penny pincher or stock holder.
Does an automated answering system where you have to go through 5 layers of options improve talking to a live person from the get go? Hell no.
Does all the record keeping and analysis that goes on behind the scenes improve your auto insurance coverage? From what I've seen, no, all it does is make insurance more expensive by adding layers of services and bureaucracies that people don't know about, like your policy rates going up if you have a low credit score.
Does Facebook and Twitter actually improve the quality of people's lives? Everyone credits the Arab Spring to tech like instant messaging, and look where the Arab Spring is now.
Has tech actually improved the quality of care we get from doctors? Maybe, but maybe not, what with, for example, the 6 visit "results based" requirements in mental health services based on filling out computerized forms that in no way capture the real issues.
Of course, for every example, there is a counter example. I know a lot more about drug side effects, astronomy, physics, etc., because I can look the things up and get informative answers.
But let's not forget that all this tech we're creating is accessible to a small % of the world population that has bigger problems than checking their Facebook wall.
Marc
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This is why I like you Marc. You're smart. Just don't tell anyone. It'll be a cold day in hell before you hear that from me. 
Jeremy Falcon
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Marc Clifton wrote: Does Facebook and Twitter actually improve the quality of people's lives?
Not generally. 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Oh the questionnaires and layers of forms.... Flow charts to tell the customer service representative or some algorithm which path to take down the bunny hole to get an appropriate answer.
But then technology can also come in and help us with the problems caused by the previous solutions.
I am a volunteer firefighter and first responder in my down time. The previous area I worked in implemented a way bloated version of Medical Priority Dispatching and the questions could take a few minutes to get through. The problem is the national standard says the dispatch must be out within a minute of answering a 911 call. The answer that has been implemented is to give a preliminary dispatch of location and type(EMS, Fire; default = Police), and then when the flowchart is completed a second dispatch is made to give more information so that the responders know what they are going to see and need when they get there.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: maybe it's 98%
No, its 99% - you were correct.  The truth is in the facts, and the fact is, the IT world is BS.
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Jeremy Falcon
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Make that the corporate world and I will agree with you.
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If you have to ask, this wasn't written for you. You can pretend you never read it.
Yeah whatever...
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jhegedus wrote: this wasn't written for you.
Apparently not. Clearly my 20 years experience in the industry has been better than a lot of yours. Lucky me, I guess.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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One example of the BS part, Scrum's daily stand up meeting. It used to be a once a week status meeting and your manager might stop by your desk every day or so just to see how you are doing. Now it's every FRIKKIN' day.
ScrumMaster, "Let's go around the room."
Developer A, "I'm working on X, no blockers."
Developer B, "I'm working on Y, no blockers."
Developer C, "I'm working on Z, no blockers."
etc.
Two week sprints that are really only a week and a half because QA has to be on the same Sprint schedule as the developers and you have to allow time for them to finish testing. Plus the Sprint planning, Sprint Demo, Sprint Retrospective meetings on top of the daily stand up.
And don't even get me started on the "Open Office" crap. I want my walls and shelves back, Dagnabit!
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MarkTJohnson wrote: ScrumMaster, "Let's go around the room."
Developer A, "I'm working on X, no blockers."
Developer B, "I'm working on Y, no blockers."
Developer C, "I'm working on Z, no blockers."
etc.
This worked really well for us. But we were not set on 2 week sprints. We had short goals but never let reality get in the way. We were flexible.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: has anyone else found themselves jaded for a period while the industry finds itself, yet to only realize that as people we are right where we are meant to be?
Not for me. I just focus on the task in front of me and enjoy myself. 
Having been doing this stuff since slightly before personal computers existed, I gave up worrying about what the industry as a whole was doing, mainly because it's always going the wrong direction according to me, but always ends up someplace cool and interesting enough that I'm glad to be along for the ride.
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patbob wrote: mainly because it's always going the wrong direction according to me
It's like market foresting forecasting with stocks. Most folks try to predict the future of it and nobody really knows what the market will do. And it is an interesting ride my friend. Just wait until Japanese robots become the norm.
Jeremy Falcon
modified 28-Jun-17 13:36pm.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: market foresting with stocks
I didn't know the US Forestry Service was involved! 
Jeremy Falcon wrote: Japanese robots
Shades of Battlestar Galactica. We're on a repeat cycle.
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: I didn't know the US Forestry Service was involved!
Whoops. 
Jeremy Falcon
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patbob wrote: I just focus on the task in front of me and enjoy myself.
Take it to the soapbox! 
Marc
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Jaded? Yes. There are times I just want to switch a totally different profession, but I have been ddoing this for so long everything else I was profficient in (chemistry, mathematics, statistics) I am no longer up-to-date.
For several years I have had a yen to learn bartending - when I retire and move to the Dominican Republic (my wife was born there), I will open a bar on the beach. I may be looking for bouncers, live music acts and patrons 
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You're a smart man. I went through that same phase. Still am going through it. Despite the love for tech, had to get away from a computer to appreciate it a bit. It almost defines us.
Bartenders are awesome btw. The good ones are usually good listeners.
Jeremy Falcon
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stoneyowl2 wrote: I may be looking for bouncers, live music acts and patrons
How much are you paying us to be patrons? I might apply...
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If you walk in the door and know the secret CP password, I will spot a free drink. If you also know the hidden, locked in the vault, handshake - I might serve you my special:
In a shot glass equal parts Tequila, Kahlua, and 151 Rum
[Edit] Dang! Now you know it! That was my secret, make it bit in the bar business, taught to me by friends in the Hell's Angels Harley club in Fairbanks.
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, navigate a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! - Lazarus Long
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