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Brent Jenkins wrote: They lost me when they removed the headphone jack
That's funny, but also entirely relevant since the headphone jack is a consumer-oriented item. It is an easy-to-use interface to headphones. Changing the technology forces users to think and that is a bad thing which Apple has always decided against allowing and/or encouraging. 
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Thing is it's funny (which is why I wrote it) but it's also partly true. I actually ditched iPhones after the battery issue (the same issue found on 6S's and 7's) made my iPhone 6 unusable. Apple, by removing the headphone jack, has made it very unlikely I'll go back.
Personally, it'll be way too easy to lose wireless earphones when outdoors.. if my wired earphones fall out I can easily put them back in (they're still with me). If they get broken, I can replace them cheaply or borrow another set from friends.
Most of the things I do outside work require some kind of head protection, so over-the-head phones are impractical. Imagine having to walk back up a ski slope trying to find a white Apple earbud in the snow, or back up a muddy MTB track in the rain.. This is one of the mental ideas Apple seems to have these days.
Instead of making the battery actually work or something else actually useful to users, they focus on all the wrong stuff. Sad to see..
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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That all makes good sense.
Brent Jenkins wrote: Instead of making the battery actually work or something else actually useful to users
Also, think about this, Steve Jobs was a user of his technology and was the initial driver for the iPod because he wanted to be able to carry around a lot of music in a package that was no bigger than a pack of cigarettes. One thing Jobs did is make consumer-friendly devices. He made stuff that a non-tech person can use very easily.
Now, they backed away from a couple of technologies (wired headphones) that people actually like better.
Bluetooth still eats battery quite badly. Also, as you said they're not concentrating on long batter life so now consumers start feeling the other way (that Apple isn't consumer-friendly) because they've backed away from some of these things since they lost Jobs -- which may be the key to why they have begun to fail.
Home Button
Now they are considering removing the actual home button [^] which their users are also accustomed to. They are beginning to mess things up as they are thinking more about tech than about consumers.
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raddevus wrote: Now they are considering removing the actual home button [^] which their users are also accustomed to.
It kind of works on the Galaxy S8 (which is my current phone - with a decent battery life and a headphone jack  ) - the main problem is the fingerprint sensor on the back (which you kind of get used to) and the iris recognition (facial recognition isn't great on the S8).
The problem with iris recognition in the S8 is that it doesn't work in strong sunlight, rain, or if you're wearing sunglasses or goggles.. maybe Apple will make it more reliable? Steve Jobs has been a major loss for Apple though.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: They lost me when they removed the headphone jack
I'm only considering the iPhone SE as my next phone because of this. Gonna wait till next week to see if there's perhaps an interesting successor for the SE.
Seems they're just randomly ditching interfaces until there's nothing left to cut away anymore. Another example of their "courage": removed the digital optical output from the Apple TV. So bye bye high quality audio over AirPlay. Good thing I still have a couple of Apple TV 3 devices. I'm gonna keep my iPhone 4s alive for as long as I can to play music at home.
Wout
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More likely, if they do anything they'll yank the current SE from the market and replace it with a model that's identical to the old one except for not having a headphone jack. 
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Could they really be this evil? If so I'm just gonna get the SE and baby it forever. Not gonna let them steal away my headphone jack from me!
Wout
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You're talking about a company that stripped all USB-A ports from some of its newest products at a time when most of their accessories were only available in USB-A versions.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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And still I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt, bless my innocent soul.
Wout
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Just be careful that then "new SE" doesn't turn out to be the old 6 - the battery is really poor, mainly due to being effected by cold conditions (by cold, I mean any temperature less than about 18 degrees C).
I'd leave home with 100% battery, within 30 minutes it'd be down to about 70%. In temperatures around 12 degrees C, it'd drop to 1% within an hour. If I tried to use it, it'd just switch off (or I'd pull it out of my pocket and find it dead). A few minutes under a hot air hand dryer (if I could find one) would bring it back to life with 50% or more battery left.
The iPhone 6 is one of the worst phones I've owned for reliability. My previous iPhone 4 and 5 were very good though. I switched over to the Galaxy S8 in July because of a skiing/snowboarding trip with friends in January where they were using their Galaxy S7's and S6's out in -15 C all day with no problems and my iPhone 6 was dead within 5 minutes.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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Oh wow, hadn't heard about that. My sister has one too. Luckily I'm old and I don't do crazy sh*t like snow boarding, so maybe I'll be in luck! Thanks for the heads up though.
Wout
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Leading to.. Apple iPhone sales by year 2007-2016 | Statista
2016 was the first year to see a drop in iPhone sales. It looks like 2017 will see a lower figure than 2016 (although that could change if they announce an Earth-shattering device today.. unlikely though, Tim Cook isn't an innovator).
At the end of the day, if you don't give your customers what they want, they go elsewhere.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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raddevus wrote: since we all know how to use iPhones, let's just use Apple Servers too. Make this happen, IT Team, because Apple is best. I know because I am a consumer who uses an iPhone.
Apple makes servers? 
Anyways, this has been happening since the 1980's, except then it was the future business user, as a kid, saying "hey Dad, my school has Apple II computers, I want one at home! Make this happen, Dad, because Apple is best, because we use them at school!" because Apple was giving away its computers to schools, knowing that it would bring in home use sales.
raddevus wrote: This all bound to sound very controversial on a web site (CP) devoted to the tech side.
Nah, it's inevitable and should have been obvious.
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Good points and by "use Apple servers" I meant...
macOS Server - Overview - Apple[^]
EDIT
and look their marketing info drives the point home further...
Apple site says: The server for everyone.
macOS Server is perfect for a small studio, business, or school. And it’s so easy to use, you don’t need your own IT department.
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raddevus wrote: you don’t need your own IT department
Well you don't need your own IT team for Windows Servers.. you can just let Chinese hackers manage them for you 
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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raddevus wrote: Enterprise decisions are being more driven by average consumers now instead of technology consumers.
A fanciful interpretation of the morass of hype and pseudo-factoids that make up this puff-piece of an article.
The one voice of sanity in the article, Gold's, sums it up nicely:Quote: "Is it significant? It's significant if you're an Accenture client, but it's not clear exactly what it's all going to mean longer term," Gold said.
«While I complain of being able to see only a shadow of the past, I may be insensitive to reality as it is now, since I'm not at a stage of development where I'm capable of seeing it. A few hundred years later another traveler despairing as myself, may mourn the disappearance of what I may have seen, but failed to see.» Claude Levi-Strauss (Tristes Tropiques, 1955)
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BillWoodruff wrote: morass of hype and pseudo-factoids that make up this puff-piece of an article
I agree with you.
It was possibly written by an Apple team member.
But that's what it's all about "the perception of owning the Server Landscape".
Everyone wants their company hosted on Apple Servers because as their marketing info tells you plainly...
Apple site says: The server for everyone.
macOS Server is perfect for a small studio, business, or school. And it’s so easy to use, you don’t need your own IT department.
see...
macOS Server - Overview - Apple[^]
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raddevus wrote: the perception of owning
Just because your neighbors are on drugs, doesn't mean you're high, or that they are not stupid 
cheers, Bill
«While I complain of being able to see only a shadow of the past, I may be insensitive to reality as it is now, since I'm not at a stage of development where I'm capable of seeing it. A few hundred years later another traveler despairing as myself, may mourn the disappearance of what I may have seen, but failed to see.» Claude Levi-Strauss (Tristes Tropiques, 1955)
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From the things I'd like to see behind the paywall files:
Quote: According to research firm Markets and Markets, 50% of businesses will have adopted a bring-your-own-device (BYOD) strategy by the end of this year.
What type of devices? If they're talking about phones I think they're a few years behind the curve. OTOH if they're on about laptops I'd love to know what they're basing it on. Outside of companies selling remote desktop platforms (eg Citrix has done it for years), startups that are masking their cheapness with an attempt to be cool, and the self employed; I haven't seen any indications of traction happening here. And I'd be shocked to see it in any company that has an IT security position because of the gaping cluster ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) it would create in any security plans.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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By this logic, shouldn't Google Android also own the enterprise?
This is a bid don't care.
Business will run on the cloud, there will be many clients.
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raddevus wrote: Now, every person _feels_ as if computers are easy to use and so setting up servers and the rest is probably simple too, since I can configure my iPhone. So, now, some business-user comes along and says, "since we all know how to use iPhones, let's just use Apple Servers too. Make this happen, IT Team, because Apple is best. I know because I am a consumer who uses an iPhone." 
And yet...we can't seem to get it through our users heads that they are not allowed to move their computer from this side of the room to that side of the room and plug it into a different RJ-45 jack.
They whine and cry and yell when we tell them it will be a few hours at a minimum before someone from networking will be able to reset port security because they are out working on issues that were NOT self-inflicted.
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The latest research confirms that Amazon continues to dominate cloud computing. Get your head into The Cloud
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Odd, I just tried it again, and it seems to work? Maybe a temporary glitch? Thank you though.
TTFN - Kent
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