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I saw this in the calender posted here recently, trappist-1:[^]
Breathtaking.
The beauty, the sublimeness, that man can even take such photos is a testimony to his genius. Talk about batting above your game!
And that the universe can be so incredibly beautiful. It is unbelievably so.
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Today we celebrate the rights and welfare of grilled chicken and bacon bits 
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If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Nope, I've got a Massaman curry to go with crusty bread for tonight.
Chicken and bacon? Maybe tomorrow ...
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AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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If you love animals, don't eat them.*
* It is said that this is particularly poignant in Wales . . . and Mississippi.
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sometimes you can eat some to save some,
for example one way to 'save a mouse' is to ...
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Chickens nor pigs will go extinct while man lives.
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They'd probably be better off extinct - even more so than VB6 developers.
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Methinks that is why this endless quest to exterminate them is in progress.
Also, see: Cannibalism in humans - Wikipedia[^] - it's generally done to acquire the attributes of the meal, such as a bold warrior.
Perhaps this jives in beautifully with your link? A deep rooted subscription to "you are what you eat" ?
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W∴ Balboos wrote: it's generally done to acquire the attributes of the meal, such as a bold warrior.
Yup. That's how my cat can walk on walls - he eats a lot of spiders.
W∴ Balboos wrote: A deep rooted subscription to "you are what you eat" ?
I don't think that its meant literally; but I'd still prefer pig over quinoa. I would almost argue that it is a symbiotic relationship that we have with the domesticated pig 
Bastard Programmer from Hell
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Nor will cats, even if we don't eat them. On the contrary, teaming up with us has given cats a huge advantage over all other species, except for us.
I am endeavoring, ma'am, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins.
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Where do we draw the line?
May I keep my cat, but eat everything else?
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No reason to say 'may I' - not my decision.
However, you may as well eat the cat, too.
Aside from size, what the ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) 's the difference?
P.S. Don't get any ideas for the or ![Badger | [badger,badger,badger,badger...]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/badger.gif) - we need them.
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I'm not about to become a vegetarian. I know why mother nature has given me some sharp teeth and the ability to digest meat. Without any discussion about the quantity, we even need some meat for a healthy diet.
So, I must swallow pills or risk malnutrition if I love animals? And speaking of the cat, how should we make them do that trick?
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CodeWraith wrote: we even need some meat for a healthy diet.
That is a pure crock of shyte. Embraced after lifetime of brainwashing.
My children all raised vegetarian - and no ill effects, unless one considers being on varsity sports in High School, being National Merit Finalists, Salutatorian, and such to be indications of a deficient diet.
The following is not meant to convince, but to inform:
You neglect an important 'nuance' about vegetarianism. There are two broad groups: those that do it for health, those that do it for ethics. To the former group, I will give you some agreement as one would previously have to have been sipping warm lard through a straw to notice a real health improvement (aside from placebo effect). To the latter group, no physical benefit is expected; it is a matter of morality and is, effectively, its own reward.
Further addressing the latter group: consider that the capability of doing something (like using your incisors) is no justification for doing it. You can, after all, bite your cats throat open and use the blood to dye your socks - but you don't. Why not? What you can do and what you should do overlap like two Venn Diagrams.
Preposition: you were fed meet long before you understood what it was and it's easy to continue. Had this not been so, and you were offered meat for the first time as a sentient adult, you stare at the offerer and the offering in disgust and horror.
History's famous ethical vegetarians (Thomas Edison, Albert Einstein, Franz Kafka, Jane Goodall, Benjamin Franklyn, Lenoardo Da Vinci[^] . . . ). Those who do it for supposed health (Hitler, Kellogg).
So do what you want - I couldn't convince you otherwise if I tried. But do it cognizant that the nature of this behavior is fully voluntary on your part.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: That is a pure crock of shyte.
Agreed, just look at Brendan Brazier, triathlete, or Mac Danzig, UFC fighter, both vegan. Then tell me you 'need' animal products. 
"State acheived after eating too many chocolate-covered coconut bars - bountiful"
Chris C-B
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I've looked at both, and I need animal products. 
well you asked 
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
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"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Preposition: you were fed meet long before you understood what it was and it's easy to continue. Had this not been so, and you were offered meat for the first time as a sentient adult, you stare at the offerer and the offering in disgust and horror.
Not quite. As a child you learn from your parents what to eat and what not. You will be very cautious about eating anything that does not fit into the picture you have been taught. This does not only apply to eating meat.
W∴ Balboos wrote: That is a pure crock of shyte. Embraced after lifetime of brainwashing.
Let's not split hairs by counting eggs or fish as 'vegetables'. You may not directly need meat to get them, but without a proper source of some animal fats or proteins you are in trouble.
W∴ Balboos wrote: Further addressing the latter group: consider that the capability of doing something (like using your incisors) is no justification for doing it. You can, after all, bite your cats throat open and use the blood to dye your socks - but you don't. Why not? What you can do and what you should do overlap like two Venn Diagrams.
Fortunately I don't believe that we have been designed. I would have some question to the designer's sanity then. Like all organisms we have evolved and the anatomy of an organism tells us a lot about its natural way of life. What would you conclude from our teeth or from our digestive system? Do they resemble those of herbivores very much? And now we take the cat again. It could not even digest vegetables. Would it also be a question of morality? Or do cats have different morals? Indeed they do, because they would starve if they are not able to catch and kill their prey. They don't feel guilty at all. They are proud of what they do.
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CodeWraith wrote: Not quite. As a child you learn from your parents what to eat and what not. You will be very cautious about eating anything that does not fit into the picture you have been taught. This does not only apply to eating meat.
Not quite 'back at you': I wasn't talking about caution. I was talking about disgust. The concept of killing and tearing apart another creature is not an extension - it is a chasm.
CodeWraith wrote: but without a proper source of some animal fats or proteins you are in trouble.
The protein requirement - well I refer you to my initial post. The majority of my sons body (muscle) mass (six feet plus) could be rightly attributed to Morningstar Farm products - soy protein. And gluten. No one cooks eggs in my house - period, but that's not dietary maxim, but rather based on a strong reaction to the smell. We don't eat fish. That's a weird leftover from Catholicism's no-meat Friday thing.
Design? Then I suggest you repair to my previous post. Can and should are not identical. You can kill your next door neighbor so you can take his stapler - but that doesn't mean you should. But, you can. Similarly, you're designed to reproduce - so why not copulate with every female that attracts your attention . . . whether they want to or not? Hence, one can easily argued and defend the concept that a sentient being controls their actions within their abilities.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: However, you may as well eat the cat, too.
Yes and no - my parents ate cat, during WW2 - joys of living in an occupied country, skinned cat looks just like a rabbit - not that they wanted to eat cat, they just needed to eat and needed whatever little iron/protein they could get. half a cats leg and rotten tulip bulbs - yay! not!.
It's actually proven not healthy to eat other meat eaters - crap filters up the food chain (look up why eating too much swordfish is not recommended). And yes, pigs are omnivores but the ones most of us eat have a controlled diet - not so much cats: they eat vermin (crap eaters), insects including cockroaches and flies (crap eaters), lizards (eaters of crap eaters) ...
Case in point: mad cow disease / scrapie -> CJD in humans - came from feeding farm animals (herbivores at that) bits of ground up other animals. Never was going to go very well.
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If I wanted to be a bit sinister, I might point out to you that your description of why one shouldn't eat carnivores is perhaps a good reason not to be one, yourself.
But, I was actually somewhat serious: people gag and stare if you suggest eating dogs or cats - but what the f***'s the difference, aside from size, vs. the other creatures they eat.
OK - suppose, like the piggies, the cats and dogs were raised on 'clean' food, commercially. Would you then find them tempting morsels? If not, then consider 'why not', and what does that mean?
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Mostly cannot disagree with you, but eating herbivores is a short chain (grass cow human) and applies to most wild game (grass bambi human), but not so much once you add an unknown number of carnivores in between.
Anything commercially raised, sure (but cat's have to eat meat - so not cost effective: to guarantee clean meat = feed would be directly fit for humans to eat anyway, but dogs can go without meat - beans ect) - of course properly 'commercially raised' - as in western country standards [that's another topic though].
So yes, anything properly raised is fair game, and on the 'eeew' thing: as you know (and as discussed before) mainland Europeans have no issues eating horse - the British and their offspring colonies (Australia. NZ, Canada, USA and Europeanised Asia/Africa) think horse is bad.
Why? Horses are just skinny cows that give less milk and run faster.
BTW, I liked your other reply about the vegetarian [choice] vs must-eat-meat myth, 100% spot on there.
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