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Recently, unfortunately, but that's more of a problem for those who are not dead yet.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
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Oh, and ![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif) I suppose
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Oh, I totally agree with you there. There's always a price for everything. I'm more so referring to the face value of course. But I totally agree with you... one way or another people will pay.
Jeremy Falcon
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The older I get, the tighter the mesh through which I screen my own assumptions about what 'will be' ... based on what seems like 'common sense' ... based on my perceptions of 'what is' ... and, the greater my tendency to question all generalizations, and prognostications.
The meme of the Sage/Philosopher/Prophet decrying the degeneration of the young is a persistent literary phenomenon.Quote: They [Young People] have exalted notions, because they have not been humbled by life or learned its necessary limitations; moreover, their hopeful disposition makes them think themselves equal to great things -- and that means having exalted notions. They would always rather do noble deeds than useful ones: Their lives are regulated more by moral feeling than by reasoning -- all their mistakes are in the direction of doing things excessively and vehemently. They overdo everything -- they love too much, hate too much, and the same with everything else.
(Aristotle)
I suspect that by twenty years from now there will be technical innovations whose impact will rival the "disruptiveness" of the steam engine, the airplane, the telephone, the movies, the internet, etc.
imho, the most disruptive change is happening now: the transition from a society where identity is "pinned" to work to a future of vastly reduced employment due to robots and automation. [^]
I also suspect, that some of the (disruptive) innovations will be related to biology, neuroscience, genetic engineering, and the control of (what we now struggle to define as) "consciousness."
And, I do suspect there will be calamities of vast scale, man-made (war, genocide, terrorism), and natural (disease, climate change related). We Homo Saps will keep on being the violent collectivist predators evolution engineered us to be, while, on other levels continuing to redeem ourselves in spite of ourselves.
I tell myself that I am happy with the idea I will leave this body well before the next score of years ends 
«While I complain of being able to see only a shadow of the past, I may be insensitive to reality as it is now, since I'm not at a stage of development where I'm capable of seeing it. A few hundred years later another traveler despairing as myself, may mourn the disappearance of what I may have seen, but failed to see.» Claude Levi-Strauss (Tristes Tropiques, 1955)
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They would always rather do noble deeds than useful ones
Over 2000 years, and nothing has changed. 
It's so ironic because in my (now more "mature") thinking, you should first do useful deeds before embarking on noble ones. 
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At the age of 47 I agree with what you are saying.
I think we could give young people a bit more slack.
"The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise."
Socrates
That said the internet definitely seems to have accelerated communication and change. With even young people saying that every six months they are having to learn some new framework or technology.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Crazy to think that even Socrates had wifi to see this unfold.
Jeremy Falcon
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BillWoodruff wrote: And, I do suspect there will be calamities of vast scale, man-made (war, genocide, terrorism), and natural (disease, climate change related). We Homo Saps will keep on being the violent collectivist predators evolution engineered us to be, while, on other levels continuing to redeem ourselves in spite of ourselves.
Humans are lazy, we'll let the machines do the fighting for us...
and you know what happens next!
But anyway:
1. our kids reckon they're smarter then us, and,
2. as you said '[we'll] be gone,'
so they will have to sort that out themselves.
Installing Signature...
Do not switch off your computer.
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BillWoodruff wrote: The older I get, the tighter the mesh through which I screen my own assumptions about what 'will be' ... based on what seems like 'common sense' ... based on my perceptions of 'what is' ... and, the greater my tendency to question all generalizations, and prognostications.
I once heard a quote (forgot from where) that went something like this: "Only a fool and a wise man don't listen." I think it takes a wise person to really get that quote and to me I see what you're saying to be the same thing.
BillWoodruff wrote: Aristotle
That's an awesome quote.
BillWoodruff wrote: I suspect that by twenty years from now there will be technical innovations whose impact will rival the "disruptiveness" of the steam engine, the airplane, the telephone, the movies, the internet, etc.
I know we're a long, long way off from this, but did you hear that scientists have already teleported photons? They've been doing it for a while now actually. Here's one article[^] on it. Crazy to think.
BillWoodruff wrote: I tell myself that I am happy with the idea I will leave this body well before the next score of years ends
Just make sure you don't come back as a spider.
Jeremy Falcon
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I think there is too much hope that everything will be automated.
I'm in the same boat as you - I'm just not sure what is the next best thing.
Just yesterday I was talking to someone, there is tons and tons of technical stuff going around, but nothing seems to stick.
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Oh, I fully believe it'll take some time to get there. And there will be bumps along the way. And maybe we won't reach automation nirvana in our lifetime, but in a few hundred years maybe.
Jeremy Falcon
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Abhinav S wrote: I think there is too much hope that everything will be automated.
Almost nothing will be in terms of total work.
When a technology comes along that really works it speeds into the market place. Cell phones, heart transplants, etc. Airplanes were being used in war 10 years after the first powered flights.
Attempts at automation are not new. Been going on for a long time. There have been many attempts that have failed. People look at each new attempt and see doom and gloom while completely ignoring other automation that has been around for decades (as a child I watched documentaries on bottling plants). Even Amazon builds completely brand new delivery warehouses which still employ people as critical parts of the process.
Automating many human roles is hard. Consider the gas station attendant who seemingly does nothing but collect payment yet one must still account for the stocking, cleaning and even security of the store in the process. Not to mention dealing with complaints about the soda machine not working. How is that going to be automated? And done in a way that is economical in comparison?
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Would you please condense and interpret this post, I'm having a hard time reading this and playing with my XBox.
Someone's therapist knows all about you!
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Mike Hankey wrote: please condense and interpret this post
"The times, they are a-changin" [^]
«While I complain of being able to see only a shadow of the past, I may be insensitive to reality as it is now, since I'm not at a stage of development where I'm capable of seeing it. A few hundred years later another traveler despairing as myself, may mourn the disappearance of what I may have seen, but failed to see.» Claude Levi-Strauss (Tristes Tropiques, 1955)
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One of my favorites by Dylan...and yes they are. I wonder how many millennia old timers like me have been espousing like fears?
Someone's therapist knows all about you!
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Jeremy Falcon
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Quote: particular the products or services of the future that people will pay for since now we expect so much for free
Like subscriptions to my ISP, my TV provider, my smartphone provider, Netflix, Amazon and half a dozen other services that I have to pay monthly for, now that the days of PAYG - ie only paying for what you actually use - are all but over? IS that what you mean?
I don't expect things for free - but I'll damn well take them for that if I can when the only alternative is to pay a monthly fee for something whether I use it or not.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: In my early 30s I decided to read a ton of self-help books
Ah, that must be how you got your psychology degree. 
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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You'd be amazed what you can learn if you listen to people (women included) when they talk rather than pretend to. It doesn't take a psych degree to use common sense gleaned from listening. 
Btw dude... for real? You still upset about something from weeks ago? I touched a nerve apparently.
Jeremy Falcon
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I'm planning on learning how to weld.
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Yeah, I feel ya. Studying for something for decades only to have someone overlook a resume due to something like a font not being bold, etc. gets old. Supply and demand my friend.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: With the millennial generation (arguably) not really learning any new life skill
Like what? How to chop down a tree? Or shoe a horse?
Jeremy Falcon wrote: Every industry on the planet, the longer it exists without real novelty
That is a perception fostered by the speed of the news. Powered flight seemed new at the time but only because no one was continuously reporting one the many people around the world that had been working on it for years (probably since 'powered' existed.) If such reporting had happened then it is likely that even more people would have been working on it and others would have been considering the impact before it occurred.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: Demand goes down.
Not sure what that means. Internationalization of markets means that demands for products that once only had a very local market now have a vastly bigger market and increased demand for it.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: But, as we try and get more and more people "able to code" at a younger age we in essence dilute ourselves in the marketplace - tech wise.
Statistics do not support that. At least not in the US. Demand as measured by actual open jobs in IT (and all technical skills) is growing at a much faster rate than the population and tracking of coursework suggests a decline in those that choose to follow it.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: I know there was a news story on CP the other day about resumes dying
I missed that article. However I have seen no indication anywhere that the hiring process has improved in an objective way. Online allows the process to speed up but it doesn't improve the befuddle and chaotic process of those doing the hiring (HR and technical people).
I wouldn't be surprised if there are some marketing and sales (and only those disciplines) who attempt alternatives to a resume for landing a job. But that isn't really new. 50 years ago they might not have tried that but 20 years ago they were doing it.
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I'm gonna argue with this letter. I don't like "s". You shouldn't use "s".
jschell wrote: .
I don't know why you use periods in your posts. I have no intention of ever agreeing with it though. I'd rather just do nothing but argue with people online to feel better.
jschell wrote: .
Here we are with a period again. Once again, rather than me having a conversation where I can pick up on something I'd rather debate anything being said. So, I think you should consider not using periods.
I mean sure, debating can be good, but if that's all we ever do online, that's a problem.
Jeremy Falcon
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Hallelujah, brother. 
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