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Munchies_Matt4-Dec-17 2:15

4-Dec-17 2:15

If the use of a term defines the morality of a practice and not the practice itself then you are on trouble. No wonder you are wrestling!

Nathan Minier4-Dec-17 2:30

Nathan Minier

4-Dec-17 2:30

The term does not exist in a vacuum, especially when the literal definition is tied explicitly to a practice. Someone is not dubbed a "Murderer" because they made coffee this morning; it's because they murdered someone.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Benjamin Disraeli

Munchies_Matt4-Dec-17 3:49

4-Dec-17 3:49

But a robot is no more related to plantation ownership than coffee is to murder.

Nathan Minier4-Dec-17 4:40

Nathan Minier

4-Dec-17 4:40

And there we shall agree to disagree.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Benjamin Disraeli

Munchies_Matt4-Dec-17 5:33

4-Dec-17 5:33

WTF are you on?

HOw is a robot actually like slavery? Do you actually think machines have rights, have feelings?

Nathan Minier4-Dec-17 9:30

Nathan Minier

4-Dec-17 9:30

Munchies_Matt wrote:
WTF are you on?

I'm gonna have to go with work, which might have distracted me enough to miss the "no" part of "no more" while skimming your post.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Benjamin Disraeli

Mike Hankey4-Dec-17 1:49

4-Dec-17 1:49

And then comes child robot labor laws, then unions, then anarchy?

Someone's therapist knows all about you!

Munchies_Matt4-Dec-17 1:59

4-Dec-17 1:59

This is where it gets interesting. Do we decide that machines have feelings? If they provoke an empathetic reaction in us, then we might well do, regardless of how ridiculous it is.

But the CAGW is ridiculous, yet that doesnt stop moronic left wing cretins believing in it. Smile | :)

Mike Hankey4-Dec-17 2:05

4-Dec-17 2:05

Munchies_Matt wrote:
Do we decide that machines have feelings?

I think it depends a lot on their function. Industrial robots: probably not, domestic robots: maybe? Or maybe it's not their function as much as the way we percieve them?

Someone's therapist knows all about you!

Munchies_Matt4-Dec-17 2:08

4-Dec-17 2:08

Yes, and one of the first use of robots, as we see today, is in the sex industry, where relationships are by mature much closer with man, and such feelings more likely to arise.

Given mans tendency to anthropomorphise this is probably a cert to happen.

Mike Hankey4-Dec-17 2:32

4-Dec-17 2:32

Munchies_Matt wrote:
Yes, and one of the first use of robots, as we see today, is in the sex industry, where relationships are by mature much closer with man, and such feelings more likely to arise.

First military then you're probably right about the sex aspect. God help us!

Someone's therapist knows all about you!

CPallini4-Dec-17 2:42

CPallini

4-Dec-17 2:42

"Damn, they sent me the military one!"

Mike Hankey4-Dec-17 3:11

4-Dec-17 3:11

You on Santa's hit list eh?

Someone's therapist knows all about you!

CPallini4-Dec-17 6:42

CPallini

4-Dec-17 6:42

Munchies_Matt4-Dec-17 5:28

4-Dec-17 5:28

I think sex robots are getting there first.
sex robots - Google Search[^]

Mike Hankey4-Dec-17 5:37

4-Dec-17 5:37

Damn militant sex robots

Someone's therapist knows all about you!

NoNotThatBob5-Dec-17 6:52

NoNotThatBob

5-Dec-17 6:52

Mike Hankey wrote:
Damn militant sex robots

Singing "Lay down your arms and surrender to mine"? Big Grin | :-D

(No. 1 in the UK charts in 1956.)

CodeWraith4-Dec-17 3:40

CodeWraith

4-Dec-17 3:40

Munchies_Matt wrote:
Not a bad lifestyle. When do we start!

You will do no such thing! The tinmen will have captains who defend their rights[^].

I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.

Tomaž Štih4-Dec-17 4:47

Tomaž Štih

4-Dec-17 4:47

Munchies_Matt wrote:
Not a bad lifestyle. When do we start!

We?? I don't know. I think I'll be living a life of leisure. So you go on build the robots and start sending checks via the government.

Cheerio.

T.

Munchies_Matt4-Dec-17 5:33

4-Dec-17 5:33

Those who do work will get paid of course, in addition to the basic maintenance cash every one gets.

Pualee4-Dec-17 5:44

Pualee

4-Dec-17 5:44

Munchies_Matt wrote:
I can envision a future where robots do almost all the manual work, and crucially, they are payed a wage and taxed at 100% on it. ie, the company employing them pays, at a reduced rate, the commensurate wage a person would have received, direct to the government as tax.

Then you will be paying tax every time you use a computer to do any manual work - like accounting.

You will be paying chauffeur fees for self-driving cars.

You will not receive any reduction in price for efficiencies derived from automation (cheaper food, cheaper production of vehicles, etc).

In effect, you will have to get a job, because we all know the government won't pass that tax back to you - unless you plan on living on welfare.

Munchies_Matt4-Dec-17 7:20

4-Dec-17 7:20

Pualee wrote:
Then you will be paying tax every time you use a computer to do any manual work - like accounting.

Is a computer a robot?

Pualee wrote:
You will be paying chauffeur fees for self-driving cars.

Probably. Today you pay a driver, and he pays tax.

DRHuff4-Dec-17 6:44

DRHuff

4-Dec-17 6:44

Explain to me how come MicroSoft isn't already required to do this for every license of Word which put thousands of secretaries out of work?

All a robot does is enhance productivity. Do we tax everything that enhances productivity?

I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended.

I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended.

Freedom doesn't mean the absence of things you don't like.

Dave

Munchies_Matt4-Dec-17 7:19

4-Dec-17 7:19

We havent got to that future yet.