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I am surpised that this legally was "international waters". Most nations claim sovereign rights to the seabed 12 miles from the shore, but this cannot be more than a hundred meters or less.
Btw: Here in Norway, we reserve the right to throw you in prison for acts that are perfectly legal in your home country, acts that were legal even in this country at the time you performed them, even if you are not a Norwegian citizen or an inhabitant of Norway. As soon as you set your foot on Norwegain ground (e.g. as a tourist), we may arrest you, telling you that we last year made illegal in Norway what you did in your homeland ten years ago, and we will give you a few years in jail for it.
We don't to that regularly, of course, but in principle we could. We maintain it as a threat to keep away people of cultures that we consider incompatible with our own, but we have no legal right (according to international agreements) from stopping you at the border. So we rather say: Come on, but then we'll throw you in jail for having broken Norwegian law, long time before you even knew that Norway is a country.
These are moral laws, of course - not criminal ones. We are much more afraid of diverging morals than of bombs.
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Hence, in one of the great documents of all time (U S Constitution), there's protection against just such things "ex post facto".
Such a capability is essentially a "Tyrants Welcome" sign.
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So we have in the Norwegian constitution as well.
But we find ways to get around this limitation. One of the internationally recognized "excuses" is to label it a "crime against humanity". That is: It has obviously always been a crime, that is given by human nature. So everybody should have known it to be a crime whether stated in the law or not. Then we can throw you in jail, or shoot you. Even though it was not written down in the laws at the time you did your crime, it was nevertheless forbidden, because it always were.
That's the way they defend it. Morals are forever, and WE are the one pushing those eternal and true morals. Even though a multitude of cultures all around the world disagrees with us, they are simply wrong. True and everlasting morals are those WE judge by, and they never change. Breaking our universal, everlasting morals is sort of a light version of "crime against humanity". Therefore, we can practice the laws the way we do, in spite of our constitution and the UN Bill of Human Rights.
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So - I guess we know who authored [^] your Constitution!
Quote: "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."
Take that last line as double entendre
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Member 7989122 wrote: I am surpised that this legally was "international waters"...
That's definitely a mistake, it's not "international waters." Use useless reporting/proofing.
However off-shore is under a different jurisdiction/authority (marine something-something) as compared to on-shore (parks & recreation.)
Mike: Next year some Aussies will do it, and like all NZ ideas/inventions claim it as their own.
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Fifty years ago, the Norwegian jurisciction extended to 4 miles out from the shore. In the 1970s, Norwegian movie censorship was more restrictive than even that of the US, so lots of movies were forbidden or classified as 18+. One of the Norwegian movie makers whose movie was completely forbidden chose to rent a ferry with huge white painted sides with no windows, suitable as a movie screen. The cinema projector was placed on a nearby boat, and people were invited to come out to the sea in their small boats to watch the forbidden movie...
I don't remember when Norwegian law was extended to 12 miles out from the coast. Later, fixed installations (such as oil rigs) within 50 miles from the shore was included. Moral laws apply to Norwegain citizens anywhere in the world: Even if an action is perfectly legal in the country you visit, you may be imprisoned for doing exactly the same as everybody around you is doing legally. The same goes for anyone who is living in Norway (e.g. as a refugee) without being a citizen. We recently had a case where a married couple came as refugees: They were separated, the husband thrown in jail and his wife was not allowed to even visit him, because she was only 14 (I believe he was 17) and that is too young for being married in Norway. (Well... when my own mother was 14, she could have been granted permission to marry, but 14 year olds of today does not have any option to apply for the king's permission.)
Having just finished Christmas celebration, it is a fascinating thought that if Joseph and Mary had come to Norway today, Joseph would have been thrown in jail, and the child would have been taken care of by the Child Protection services. (Mary was probably 12, maybe 13 years old when Jesus was born.)
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Singapore likewise strict, they can drug test you on arrival (and they have publicized arrests doing just that).
if it's in your system and they test you, you will get booked regardless carrying (really not a good idea) or not.
Includes even if only here in transit/flight change, and there's no waiting on the plane allowed, even if your continuing flight is the very same aircraft.
Also carrying porn, weapons (even ammunition) not smart at all.
Despite rumors you can have chewing gum, but best to keep it in the bag, for sure don't be sticking spent gum on anything.
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Lopatir wrote: ...and like all NZ ideas/inventions claim it as their own.
No Kiwi in history has had an idea. No more lying.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Like the 'Pav Mssr Martin?
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bryce wrote: Like the 'Pav Mssr Martin?
Puhlease, we all know that's Australian.
If you want, you can have Phar Lap, Russell Crowe, Sam Neill, Split Enz, Crowded House and all the other successful Kiwis some Aussies have claimed, but none of them or anything successful from New Zealand was an invention.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Bravo to them! I spent the evening in the desert wilderness, grilling and smoking wondrous meats and swilling vast amounts of champagne and scotch, until the last guest crawled off to home, and the first rays of daylight of the new year suggested, subtly, that mine best hostess and I should try to catch a wee nap. The only downside of the evening, and it was a tiny one, was that the neighbor who just bought a tractor declined my invitation to a race against my new tractor; he walked, instead. At about 3 AM, his wife, our hostess, and I had to carry him home. It would have been simpler to toss him in the front bucket of his tractor and drive him home, but no, he wouldn't bring it with him. Coward! Knave! Our day of judgement will come, and although he has a better top speed, I'm confident that my tractor will prevail in the triathlon - dig a hole, bury the opponent's tractor, swill a fifth of scotch. I know I can beat him - 6 glasses of tequila and he could hardly stand, let alone walk or drive a tractor.
I'm happy to report, though, that despite the nasty reputation the lying media has laid upon gun owners, I heard not one gunshot at midnight in this very Conservative Arizona community. I'm very proud of my soon to be neighbors, as that story is very different in places likes Phoenix, mostly populated by Liberals from CA. I always applaud the responsible behavior of good people, and it's good to know that the place I plan to retire is largely occupied by such folks. Bravo, again, to the Kiwis who choose to be free and responsible, rather than surrender control of their lives to a government functionary with the authority to impose bans.
Happy New Year, Mick, if a bit belated... 
Will Rogers never met me.
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Wogger!
you still got that rifle?
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bryce wrote: you still got that rifle?
I'm sorry to report that, no, I don't. A friend needed a gun for his daughter, so I gave it to him. But when your girl is ready, I can easily get another one. The challenge will be figuring out how to legally get it to you. The powers that be keep making it harder, but when you're ready, I'm sure we will be able to make it happen. Happy New Year, by the way. I hope it's a great one for you and yours...
Will Rogers never met me.
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Happy New Year everyone! And hands up who coded today? Excellent.
Last year was a little weird. I'm not sure how else to describe it so we're all hoping reality will snap back and we'll have a bright, shiny, relaxing and safe New Year filled with unicorns and rainbows. Or APIs that make sense, frameworks that converge to a common programming model and updates that focus on perf and bug fixes instead of 1001 New Classes You Didn't Know You Needed But You Really Really Do.
As is our habit this time of the year we've gone through the questions, the answers, the articles, the votes, the downloads - everything to do with our community helping and thanking one another and we've picked the top 40 members who have worked the hardest and contributed the most. From this we have our MVPs for 2018:
| Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan | Maciej Los | | AJSON | Mahsa Hassankashi | | Akhil Mittal | Marc Clifton | | Arthur V. Ratz | Marla Sukesh | | Azim Zahir | Michael Chourdakis | | Bryian Tan | Michael Haephrati | | CHill60 | OriginalGriff | | Clifford Nelson | Pete O'Hanlon | | CPallini | Peter Leow | | Dave Kerr | ppolymorphe | | Dave Kreskowiak | ProgramFOX | | Dirk Bahle | raddevus | | Dr. Song Li | Richard Deeming | | Ehsan Sajjad | Richard MacCutchan | | F-ES Sitecore | RickZeeland | | Graeme_Grant | Sacha Barber | | Jochen Arndt | Sergey Alexandrovich Kryukov | | KarstenK | Shivprasad koirala | | Karthik Bangalore | syed shanu | | Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter | Yaseer Mumtaz |
Congratulations and thank you.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Hi Chris,
An Happy New Year to everyone.
And a lot of poutines for the hamsters, so that they stop eating servers. 
Patrice
“Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.” Albert Einstein
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Merry Christmas and Happy New Year of 2018!
Chris, thanks a lot for recognizing me as CodeProject's MVP 2018.
My very big and kind appreciations about that.
Now, I can enjoy being one of 40 CodeProject's MVPs! Perfect!
Actually, it was my so much cherished Christmas dream once to become a CodeProject's MVP.
Thanks a lot, again for deeming me as an MVP for this year!
Best Regards,
Arthur V. Ratz.
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Thanks and congratulations to fellow MVPs and a very happy new year 
Thanks
Happy Coding
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Chris Maunder wrote: As is our habit this time of the year we've gone through the questions, the answers, the articles, the votes, the downloads - everything to do with our community helping and thanking one another and we've picked the top 40 members who have worked the hardest and contributed the most. From this we have our MVPs for 2018:
I call bullshite! I see a girls name in there and as we all know, girls don't do computey type things.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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I think you've called me a girl's blouse a number of times.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: I think you've called me a girl's blouse a number of times.
You know that is something completely different.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Thank you and wishes to all MVP's
Have a great coding this year.
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Wishing you a very Happy New and prosperous Year Chris to you too.
Lets work together to make our CP, 'most popular' online contributor
Cheers....
Thanks
Prasad
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Happy new year Chris and everyone at CP!
And congrats to the MVPs!
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Congratulations to all of you MVP's for this year !
I am very glad to see Graeme_Grant is included; his thoughtful responses on QA here have, imho, set a fine example.
cheers, Bill
«While I complain of being able to see only a shadow of the past, I may be insensitive to reality as it is now, since I'm not at a stage of development where I'm capable of seeing it.» Claude Levi-Strauss (Tristes Tropiques, 1955)
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