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Kevin Marois wrote: This is exactly why I just can see myself doing anything but Windows.
I would say "anything but web development", so I'm confused. Explain?
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Kevin Marois wrote: This is exactly why I just can see myself doing anything but Windows.
Surely he meant to say CAN'T, right?
He was saying that he doesn't want to go down the roadmap of web dev, right?
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Yeah! But, think, You may say the same thing for the opposite! It's just matter of choices! This doesn't mean someone is clever than someone other.
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When you do web dev, are you doing .net stack mainly or non MS stuff? I am mainly working in the .Net stack realm as far as web dev. Most of the stuff listed there, I have never heard of before. 
-- rants are the vehicle of the lazy and uninspired - JSOP 2/2018
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Similar to what I was thinking. I'm familiar with a some of the tech on the roadmap like TypeScript, Angular, PostCSS, Redis, etc but the only thing I use frequently is the ASP.NET stack, AWS, TypeScript, and a DB. I feel like I should go hug the nearest non-ASP.NET dev 
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Jon McKee wrote: I feel like I should go hug the nearest non-ASP.NET dev
Yeah - it would be interesting to put together a chart of the ASP.NET and supporting pieces as a comparison.
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Slacker007 wrote: Most of the stuff listed there, I have never heard of before.
Having done some Ruby and Python web stuff, there are a variety of items that I'm familiar with and on the Ruby branch particularly loathe, but on the Python branch, things like Flask are actually quite nice.
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I did a class last year where the instructor used flask (PY is the language of choice for cybersec folks for some reason). I've been meaning to look at it some year.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Benjamin Disraeli
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Rage wrote: I really miss Frontpage.
Not me - I use it for article writing!
(But never for website publishing  )
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Or, to put it another way, these are the things this particular developer is familiar with, which suggests to me that he came up through the PHP/Node.js route. Funnily enough, the one thing I find becoming less and less relevant nowadays is Node and I say this as someone who likes where Node was at a couple of years ago.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: I find becoming less and less relevant nowadays is Node...
Music to my ears, unfortunately, looking at sites like WeWorkRemotely, there's a lot of Node development out there. Then again, you can find just about anything if you turn over the right rock.
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All this to make a contact form ?
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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A pretty contact form (if your'e using latest chrome).
Paulo Gomes
Measuring programming progress by lines of code is like measuring aircraft building progress by weight.
—Bill Gates
Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.
—Albert Einstein
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The thing that worries me about things like this, is the fact they have a "Clearly marked end"
We all know that as developers, learning new skills is a career long effort. No sooner do we think we reached the finish line, than someone brings something else out, or there's a large techtonic shift in tech that we have to adapt to.
There seems to be a growing pre-occupation at the moment (I get sent about 10 q's a week on Quora all asking the same thing) with beginner developers looking for the "10 steps to success plan"
It's plainly obvious that what they want to do is read the smallest amount possible, then jump from new-comer to senior dev (And the supposed riches that come with it) without doing any of the hard work.
I'm pretty sure that none of us here will say that learning our craft is/was easy, I know in my early years I questioned what I was doing every damn day, but I stuck at it.
So my reply often is "There is no end", "There is no upper pavilion of power that you aim for, with a set of rules to get you there", then some god-damn life coach goes and publishes a post with 60 steps to being a developer, or the dummies guides puts out another "Teach yourself to be an A.I scientist in 21 days" book.
These beginners see things like this, and your road-map, and they take it as a rule book to follow, then they cry fowl after following each step (Usually just by installing each tool down the chain they want, but not actually learning it) because they don't understand or cannot make the things do what they want to do.
It's a well put together chart, don't get me wrong, but I feel it just gives the beginners the wrong message.
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Peter Shaw wrote: but I feel it just gives the beginners the wrong message.
It certainly gives a message -- look at the complicated mess web development is! It should be simpler, and it can be simpler, but unfortunately boys love their tools / toys, and it seems geeks are no exception.
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Now that bit, you do get my vote on 
It's a complete and utter mess, the largest problem is the NIH syndrome that seems to be more prevalant in webdev than any other branch.
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Wise words Mr Shaw, wise words.
I'm going to be interested to see how this all plays out once we add Web assembly to the mix.
This space for rent
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Indeed so.
Whats going to be more interesting however is "Silverlight Take 2" "Blazor", if Steve Sanderson get's his own way...
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Marc Clifton wrote: None-the-less, this is probably just 1% of the entire playing field.
So very true!
No offense to the roadmap author, but this "roadmap" appears to be simply an opinion.
If it's not an opinion, what facts is it based on? There are many prediction models, including ranking technologies by the number of questions asked on Google, the number of job reqs posted, the number of projects in GitHub (or any repository), etc.
The problem with all these models is that they are part of the elephant and everyone is a blind man.
Our industry is horribly fragmented and making decisions on what technologies to learn is a tough one. I read industry news to get ideas but look at local jobs to see what is in demand in my area.
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BryanFazekas wrote: If it's not an opinion, what facts is it based on?
It is however actually an accurate roadmap, as far as I've experienced having gone down the Ruby and Python path a bit. There are a lot of choices and he does isolate them into reasonably well organized groupings.
BryanFazekas wrote: I read industry news to get ideas but look at local jobs to see what is in demand in my area.
Unfortunately, what is in demand (in any area) seems to be driven not by logic. When given the opportunity, I actually avoid even ASP.NET and Entity Framework, as well as any Javascript MVVM / MVC framework, but that's me.
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it is probably biased as the guys is more inclined to PHP development as server side language.
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But who's using what?
Everybody and their dog now wants their own crypto-currency.
Someone eats a dirt sandwhich ... suddenly everyone wants it on the menu.
Doesn't mean it's good eating.
(And the more "options" / choices one has, the more "anxious" one tends to be).
What IS a web developer anyway?
Has to be "browser based"? Who says?
My apps communicate over TCP. Does that make me a "web developer"?
Or does it need to incorporate a "browser"? No ... because REST doesn't.
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then".
― Blaise Pascal
modified 20-Feb-18 16:35pm.
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Returned Value Of The Day ?
I'd rather be phishing!
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