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Quote: There's nobody who is less rational than a rational person
Uncle Π is.
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Sometimes, I feel like a magician.
Don't ask about the other times. 
I am not the one who knocks. I never knock.
In fact, I hate knocking.
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Why does that read like a guide for planing a trekkie convention?
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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That's a pretty wide net.
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then".
― Blaise Pascal
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Not quite so bad as that (where I am, at least).
Two types of 'clients', if I take the extrema.
Those who listen to suggestions and my 'why' - and are invariably glad when they need to modify things later (as needs change!) and it happens so quickly.
Those who want what they want and don't understand that it's absurd. Depending upon who it is, I often have the power to just say "No".*
Oh oh! Then, of course, there are those who ask for something they need in general terms and want me to do all the work for them (i.e., their job). If it works, they'd get the credit. If it fails, they would blame me. Or, I send them away and ask them to tell me what it is they want as I don't know how they do their job.
Upon reflection, I've somehow managed a lot of autonomy. Goodness triumphs over evil!**
* That's almost invariably backed up based on explaining why and track record.
** We'll see how long that lasts.
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| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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I prefer to borrow Douglas Adams' term, "other professional thinking persons".
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I think that would make a catchy business card: Senior Thinker
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then".
― Blaise Pascal
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Gerry Schmitz wrote: If you tell them you're a "programmer", or even a "developer", they start telling you your job.
My experience is that they start telling me about a programming course they took in college when vacuum tubes were still in vogue.
Technically, everyone is a programmer, even an engineer. We do social engineering on each other every day without even realizing it. This post is social engineering.
“A person who is skilled in logic.”
I actually rarely encounter programmers that are actually skilled in logic.
"a person who is, by their very nature, highly methodical, cerebral, and fact-oriented."
 Where?
Having to constantly cater to highly emotional people.
Wait. I resemble that remark. I guess I'm too emotional to call myself a logician. 
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I just wanted to know "why" I had to this or that.
Never got an answer from this particular outfit.
I thought perhaps it was my problem.
It was.
I think they call it "insubordination". Or failure to submit.
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then".
― Blaise Pascal
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If you are one ![Green Alien | [Alien]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/alien.gif) ian working and living there I want to ask you a question.
I'd like to get a salary reference/life cost for Switzerland.
Let's say:
- Two people living there.
- Only one of them have a job.
- 1 gasoline car.
- Rent a flat.
One annual salary of 100.000 CHF would be:
A) A normal salary that allows you to go on holidays out of the country twice per year.
B) A normal salary that allows you to go on holidays out of the country once per year.
C) A not so good salary, you reach the end of the month if you are careful.
D) A bad salary. You are dead by the second week of the month.
Thank you!
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It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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Ah, there you are old Swiss cheese eater 
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"Nagelkaas" 'er mmmmmhhh
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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I went to Zug a few years ago to install a database.
At lunch I asked the people working there how to make a proper Käsefondue.
They all basically agreed on the ingredients, white wine, Gruyère (important), some other cheese (not important) and kirschwasser. And that's when the fight started. 
Apparently, Kirschwasser is absolutely needed, or will destroy the fondue completely depending on who you ask.
modified 18-May-18 1:36am.
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I always have problems with women in my vicinity (wife, mother) that insist on "alcohol free" fondue, that must be a terrible sin in the eyes of the Swiss
I would definitively have problems with Kirchwasser too, it should be Kirschwasser !
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I'm always spelling that wrong.
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It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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Approximately, no guarantee
| What | per Month | per Year | | Pretty nice flat (country side) | 2500 | 30000 | | Income Tax | | 12000 | | Health Insurance Person 1 | 360 | 4320 | | Health Insurance Person 2 | 360 | 4320 | | Car Insurance/tax | | 1200 | | Food etc | 1500 | 18000 | | Total | | 69840 | | | | | Options | | | | Very very Nice Flat | 3200 | | | Flat Little bit older, but still comfortable | 1800 | |
Take into account 100K netto otherwhise you have to take into acount also about 12% for old age insurance, unemployment insurance
Have also a look here (in german, but should be easy to translate with Google): Budgetberatung - Budgetbeispiele
and here Anexo:Países por PIB (nominal) per cápita - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre[^]
Finally I would say:
"A) A normal *1) salary that allows you to go on holidays out of the country twice per year."
*1) Definitely above average
Btw: Sorry for the lot of modifications, I'm playing/learning with the html options
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Keep in mind: Every worker (resident or from another country) has the right to wages that are customary in Switzerland. If an employer pays less wages to non-residents, he can be prosecuted. This I mention after reading your Profile, I think you are a wanted person here. Depending on your Age/Experience you can ask also for 120K and something more (Brutto)
Optimization potential (of course not so gladly seen here by someone):
You work in the north of Switzerland (Basel etc.) and live in Germany. Same in the south, working in Switzerland and living in Italy. The Problem in south is, it is much harder to find a Job in the south. And again same in the west, working e.g. in Geneva and living in France.
But then again wages in south/west are something lower than near Zurich
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It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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0x01AA wrote: You work in the north of Switzerland (Basel etc.)
Then you'd be better off living in France. Actually Alsace  .
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What about the chocolate budget?
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I'm Swiss too, and while 0x[cantsaytherestoftheusername] has already answered many points I'd like to add my own; A Junior Software Engineer (.Net) gets after their apprenticeship a yearly salary of between ~58000 and ~70'000, depending on how well they've done in their exams.
A Software Engineer (also .Net) may get anything between 70'000 and 100'000 a year, and a Senior Software Engineer may get above 100'000.
Keep in mind that in our industry those levels are specific to every employer, so the border between Software Engineer and Senior may vary by a few grand. It also depends on the products develop - According to a recent survey, pharma pays best.
I've told you the baseline, keep in mind that any 'special' skills (HW programming skills, AI, a MIT degree) get you extra bucks.
I only have a signature in order to let @DalekDave follow my posts.
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Hey Marco, I was about to mention you as a Swiss citizen, but you already posted.
Marco Bertschi wrote: 70'000 and 100'000
That seems low - it's between 60k€ and 84k€ - or are you talking netto ?
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Honestly, it's kinda guesswork - In my perception, if you'd hit the cap and want more cash you'd need to be classified as senior software engineer, otherwise the talent doesn't match the salary.
I only have a signature in order to let @DalekDave follow my posts.
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