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Wait - I thought this argument was dead and buried?
/ravi
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Whatcadaver gave you that idea?
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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You're killing me!
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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Only among those with no musical talent. It's a major bone of contention among the de-composers.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I hope not; I've never been a fan of their music myself.
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That question is coffin brought up. If we dig into it, you can be bury sure about what the various replies internment to this question.
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Not interested
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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A few weeks ago, manager asks me to set up a job to run daily in QLTY. After various forms and conversation, job is set up.
QA says this project is "out of scope" for them, so they don't need to test it.
I submit a "cancel daily job run"
Manager is now out of town and is the only person that can approve the cancellation.
Job fails (missing DB tables) but I don't get notified because I'm not part of the job fail notification group.
There are three other jobs waiting after my failed job that won't kick off.
Another email from someone else about my failed, pending cancellation, job holding off other jobs.
Email goes out asking why production jobs are being held up by a QLTY job.
Email goes out that the person setting up my job created it as a predecessor to a PROD job.
I get blamed, since I apparently requested my QA job run before the PROD job. Actually, it was the IT person who suggested it, and I agreed, not realizing I was mixing apples and oranges.
Email goes out asking if there's someone else that can approve the cancellation because the manager is OOO.
Email goes out saying you have to email "ESD Leadership" to get an approval change.
That email includes a wrist slap (but oddly not at me) that jobs shouldn't be created if they're not ready to be run. Well, it was ready to run, but the I realized some DB tables hadn't been created (I can take the blame for that), so it failed.
Email goes out that the "ESD Leadership" is also OOO, so it'll have to wait until Monday.
Email goes out that the approval can be escalated to the VP or set the job to "normal" so the successor jobs can run.
Manager emails that there weren't any dependencies on the job when it was approved. But manager had berated me for not filling out the form correctly with predecessors / successors.
That's what was sitting in my inbox this morning. What were we talking about regarding "ideology"? Basically, all someone had to do was tell the job to ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) off, problem solved. But nooooo....
Not sure whether to  or 
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Wow!! Maybe the people who created the process at Marc's workplace read that Dilbert and created the policy. 
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Nowadays we would call Dilbert an "influencer" 
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I feel your pain -- have felt it in the past.
It is interesting that professionals must have process & methodology in their work.
And yet, process and methodology often descends into the pits of bureaucracy.
This makes a lot of devs believe that :
Process == Bureaucracy and/or Methodology == Bureaucracy
But, real process is not bureaucracy. A real process is the next step to repeatable processes and deliverables.
It's too bad because things could get better with a solid process.
Often times it is because the people managing the process (and the ones who institute it) have no idea why or what or how. 
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Bureaucracy is being eliminated here. They just hired a bureaucrat to get it done. 
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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He's writing up the process in a short 100 page document.
You must have this signed by only 3 of your 7 managers. 
Please join me in celebrating this newly streamlined process with a brown-bag lunch which you are required to attend. Food will not be provided.
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Do you work at Initech? And your VP is Bill Lumbergh ?
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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Uh, yeah, I'm going to need those TPS reports...
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Also, make sure you attach the correct cover page next time. Didn't you get that memo?
When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others.
Same thing when you are stupid.
modified 19-Nov-21 21:01pm.
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From this I conclude you are in the wrong place... Find a job where developer/manager ratio is higher... (1/3 should be the upper border)
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
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One developer per three managers.  
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Much better than Marc's 1/11!!!
And in reality - even with small and mid sized companies - it is a fact...
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
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My boss has a name for that kind of stuff: "Cluster ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) "
Luckily (for now) IT is somewhat autonomous in this respect. There's still management ask for things that give the impression of flailing - as policy change without any definite target in site.
So, again I say: "What Me Worry?"
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Definitely  Usually, when I've seen this phenomenon its some security "expert" locking everything down so tight that no one can get any work done. After all, the most secure system is one you can never access 
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Can we just have an automated response to all bugs saying, "But it works on my machine"? Perhaps with an image of someone from CP staff with innocent expression.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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That's what it already does on my machine? 
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That's strange, it works on my machine.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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