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lw@zi wrote:
Popular and widespread? I had never heard about it until now.

I know. I was building an iOS app and all of sudden I learned I absolutely had to have some cocoapods thing. I was like, "what is this infection?" at the time. Then you install the stuff from some cryptic command line and you just say, "Ok, I guess that is the way to do that???" Confused | :confused:

It's a weird package managing system. I remember there being some other thing involved too.
I googled to remember. It's called HomeBrew. An infection on top of the infection. Dead | X|

Home brew cocoa pod beer. Such travesty. I would like that Ramsey guy to taste and review it.

"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

Ease of installation might be a reason that a Linux app is popular... D'Oh! | :doh:

wget https://dl.google.com/linux/direct/google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb
sudo dpkg -i google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb
sudo apt-get -f install -D
sudo apt-get update
sudo bash -c 'for i in update {,dist-}upgrade auto{remove,clean}; do apt-get $i -y; done'

You gotta admit, it's actually a very much valid reason, at least if you're targeting end-users. If your app can't be easily deployed after development, then you pretty much failed from the get-go.
Although I too think that the main reason shouldn't be that, but something tangible.

1 Answer... Windows .BAT/.CMD files... because you can count on them being able to run (sometimes, LOL)

A hammer! Dang, dude, you've got all the fancy tools! Usually, all I have is a wrench to pound a screw in. Poke tongue | ;-P

Greg Lovekamp wrote:
Usually, all I have is a wrench to pound a screw in.

True LOL!

Think of it the other way around: If it was next to impossible to install, and a RPITA to maintain, would it be likely to become a very popular and widespread application? Or desktop OS?

Years ago, I made a two serious attempts (months/years apart) to install an alternate OS on my home PC, without success - I am a Comp.Sci Master, but the OS was delivered without a hacker, and I simply couldn't make it work. My third try, a couple of years later, did succeed. But at that time, I had obtained so many really great Windows applications - certainly not of OpenSource quality, but made by professionals in the application domain. My home PC activities so much depend on these tools, that even though the alternate-OS machine was sitting there, it never could solve my real home issues better that the Windows applications. Not for my photo/video hobbies. Not for my music/sound activities. Not for my writing. Not even for my hobby programming (because that very often relates to my other tools; cross development for Windows, or even dotNet, never was a strongpoint of the alternate OS.)

OpenSource developers make similar great quality in their own application domain - superb compilers, version control systems, networking libraries etc - but when you move out of the software development domain, over to, say, media production or general office tools or economics, the OpenSource communities are not at a competitive level. Sure, some professional developers in other domains sometimes make the source code available, but for all practical purposes, it is more like documentation than for collaborative work towards the next version. Publishing the source code doesn't make it into "an open-source project". The first two OSes I worked with, Exec-8 for the Univac 1100 mainframes and Sintran for the Nord 16-bit mini machines, were distributed in soure code form to customers (although for Sintran only in a hardcopy version) - noone would claim they were open-source projects.

IBM was king for 20-30 years because they had their people out in the customer environments and knew the needs of the customer. Windows has been king for 30 years because you can use it even if you don't have a 14 year old hacker nephew. The smartphones succeed because the user interface is so that even your old aunt can make sense of it. Ease of use, and the ability to solve the customer's problem as well as (or better than) it solves the developer's problem, ARE keys to success.

Those are all actually very good points and I agree.

However, it removes a bit of the power of my condescending humor about cocoapods... and for that you lose debate points.
Laugh | :laugh:

He apparently likes to do that....

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I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.

His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

Frank Cross was a better "Xavier". Smile | :)

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A mad thing I remember hearing about apparently Star Trek The Next Gen was financed in part by the CIA?..

I'll bite. Never heard that story before. Soooooooo....?

It was a while ago, but I seem to rember Patrick Stuart & Jonathon Frakes being interviewed when it came up something to do with Bush Senior cutting funding to NASA but still wanting to get to Mars,
in the 60's the Original Series was influential in getting recruits to NASA. The script was a on the table of the Network but they couldn't stump up the full amount so the CIA (who needed a space win against the Commies) put the rest in. As I said it was a little while ago I saw it so maybe a few details are out but I think thats the basis.

I believe this may have begun life as a joke by Patrick Stewart on the following podcast...

The Infinite Monkey Cage, Series 7, Episode 1

At 17:17 in the podcast...

Quote:
Patrick Stewart: Very few people know this. but Star Trek the Next Generation was actually funded by the American government and the CIA. Why? To distract the United States attention away from the fact that we were no longer spending any money on space.
--Laughs--

Brian Cox: Now that is a conspiracy theory, isn't it?
--More Laughs--

Patrick Stewart: If you say so, Brian.
--More Laughs--

modified 26-Jun-18 16:44pm.

True, I remember that, but I am sure it was Jonathon Frakes (Riker) who said it originally well before Messers Cox & Ince.

Quite possibly, but if so I was unable to find it. While the premise is suspect, I was curious if there might be a nugget of truth to it (e.g. perhaps a PR effort). I found a few obvious conspiracy theories, one of which misquoted the piece I referenced.

The only site I could track down to a reputable report, or in this case original material, was the Patrick Stewart quote, which was quite obviously intended as a joke.

Clearly our robot overlords are obscuring the facts Smile | :)

Hi All,
All I need was an up to date version of a document. I had it saved on a stick that then got formatted for another use and so I was under the impression the back on the 'cloud'. Now I had cleared that out as I needed the space for some other use. Eventually I needed the document, now I can find all the not quite up to date version. Checking all the awkward places only able to find a version from 2015 panic bad language. Spot my recently retired Win 7 desktop under my desk last night think it won't be on there, but for completeness I try it. Find the dang file on the desktop! breath again. Lesson learned. Back up everywhere. Keep them constant, do not assume it's some where...

If you are working with documents, where versioning is important to you, then I would use a source control service (i.e. git, bitbucket, etc.). Always in one place, and portable.

I actually do this with some of my living documents (documents that grow over time).

The thing is this was one those I have copies of it just not the latest one. Issues like that make sure your back ups are the latest!

Always look behind washing machine first. It almost always works in case of socks. Documents should be no different.

"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

Speaking of Socks, should they match?

Technical Design, test plan same same.

I don't think I need to elaborate.

"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

glennPattonWork wrote:
Speaking of Socks, should they match?

They always do. Whenever someone points out I'm wearing a pair of unmatched socks, I always respond with "I have another pair just like this one back home".

Ever notice that lost stuff is always found in the last place you look?
Maybe we should look there first. Smile | :)

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