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I knew I shouldn't have posted that, drawing attention to myself.
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Oh, shyte. Now he's smiling at me, too.
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I wasn't going to answer but I needed to say "Me too".
Now you have two people watching you 
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I've never been able to work out which one I'm supposed to fit in. I love solitude (in many ways I'm quite reclusive) but I'm also the kind of person who will happily talk to anyone when I'm out and about.
I don't see any inherent contradiction in there unless I start to look at it in terms of introversion and extroversion. Am I an introverted extrovert, an extroverted introvert or someone who thinks that psychologists should cure themselves before inflicting their nonsense on the rest of us? On reflection, I'm inclined towards the latter.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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Like solitude (or noise) is not an implication of introvertedness. Since you'll talk to anyone - even strangers - you're clearly extroverted. Not necessarily extremely so - you don't, for example, talk extra loud to make sure everyone is giving you attention . . . do you?
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W∴ Balboos wrote: you don't, for example, talk extra loud to make sure everyone is giving you attention . . . do you?
Absolutely not - and I'd strongly advocate the death penalty for those that do!
Never been convinced that they're genuinely useful as descriptive terms, though, as most people seem to have strong elements of both.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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That's not how introversion nor extroversion is defined.
Intro and extroversion is how you charge your inner battery; being alone, or with a crowd.
You can fine be both Introvert and outgoing; I am that, for instance.
It will drain your battery faster when your being outgoing, but there is nothing that says you can't be both Introvert and outgoing.
In short, I dont have a problem talking to strangers, but if I want to satisfy my introvert inner self, then the required energy to get me to know those people like I want to, is just too energy & time draining. But that doesn't mean I can't talk to new people.
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Pretty sure the definitions of intro and extroversion, are quite facts based.
But i get, that a lot confuses introversion with shyness, or being social incapable, but that's not what introversion is.
A big problem with intro and extroversion, is that the person itself, can only explain how they have it. People are quite good at putting up faces, and act their way through life, making all think they are quite the opposite of what they really are.
All tests have shown I'm in the border 90-100% introversion scale, yet, all people work with, guesses I'm extrovert. External perceiving is just not optimal to categorize people as intro or extro verts.
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Pretty sure the definitions of intro and extroversion, are quite facts based.
But i get, that a lot confuses introversion with shyness, or being social incapable, but that's not what introversion is.
A big problem with intro and extroversion, is that the person itself, can only explain how they have it. People are quite good at putting up faces, and act their way through life, making all think they are quite the opposite of what they really are.
All tests have shown I'm in the border 90-100% introversion scale, yet, all people work with, guesses I'm extrovert. External perceiving is just not optimal to categorize people as intro or extro verts.
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| Please review this link, from my former post: when I say a word it means - Google Search[^] More preciseley:
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
However, as we are currently not in Wonderland (or at least, I'm not) - I have to defer to the actual definitions - not some convoluted interpretations. Fundamentally, if we make up definitions to suit ourselves we don't really have language at all.
The first two links of my previous post clearly defined the accepted meaning of the words.
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I recharge by sleeping so I guess that makes me an introvert, unless I am in a full bunkhouse. The dichotomy of the actual definitions of the two words leaves a descriptive void in the real spectrum of human personality. To say a person is one or the other is a shallow analysis akin to describing people as republican or democrat, it rarely paints an adequate picture. At best, it is a good first brush stroke.
What's your favorite color, black or white?
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Just a thought: one need be either an introvert nor an extrovert. They're just two parameters (possibly boundary conditions), and indeed, many a shade exists in between - and it's merely a line on a plane of personality traits which all interact.
The 'recharge' concept, wherever it comes from, makes no sense in the context of the words at all. It's peripheral - or at best, incidental - to the interpersonal interaction preference.
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I don't know where the recharge concept came from either. I just did a quick Gooble search ("Introvert recharge") and found alot of sites talking about recharge in the intro/extro context. It looks like either people trying to sell self-help psychobabble or poor quasi-journalistic clickbait sites that rely on the same as research. I even saw one site that claims people misunderstand the meanings of intro and extro even though these words were well-defined before the author was born. I guess if you lie enough times loudly enough it becomes truth.
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MKJCP wrote: I guess if you lie enough times loudly enough it becomes truth.
Welcome to the Internet!
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No doubt. I'm getting old and crotchety. I used to think it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Now, I think I liked the world better in the 90's (or 80's, or 70's).
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Most people are a mix of the two and a big part of it is where do you get your "energy"?
I enjoy the quiet, being alone under the stars, and so on. On the flip side, I also enjoy a good party and will happily talk to people when I'm out and about. The problem is that after a party, I'm completely drained and need a day to myself to chill and recharge. My older brother on the other hand would have been cleaning all day and getting ready for the next party. They energize him.
Psychologists curing themselves? Ha! Not in a million years. Everyone I knew in college that was going into those fields did it so they could better understand their own problems. It seems to attract that sort of person.
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RJOberg wrote: Psychologists curing themselves? Ha! Not in a million years. Everyone I knew in college that was going into those fields did it so they could better understand their own problems. It seems to attract that sort of person.
Ha, yes. I only know two psychologists, one is pretty well sane but the other (much as I love the guy) is several miles beyond bat**** crazy and I'm sure that an awful lot of that comes from his constant attempts to attach specific labels to things that the rest of us would simply pass off as personality traits or quirks. I often suspect that the unobserved mind works an awful lot better than the carefully analysed one.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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I have a passing acquaintance with only one psychotherapist an he is one of the most annoying individuals I have ever met. He is constantly passive aggressive and expects way more from everyone else than he puts forth.
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I consider myself a moderate or recovering introvert. I am generally happy to talk to others, but it does take extra effort and I cannot sustain that effort for a long time.
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Now to think of an excuse so I don't have to go... 
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* Newly discovered asteroid targeting one of our satellites
* Possibility of a huge Coronal Mass Ejection
* Alien invasion
* You have to finish your latest modules' unit tests, asap
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- O look, a new framework. I need to master it first before I can go out again.
My plan is to live forever ... so far so good
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