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Everybody has their own phone brand that they like and are attached to. For me, I had a WP7, a WP8, tried Android for a few months and then went to WP10. I have large hands, so I am a fan of the live tiles and the instant access to information provided on the home screen. I also like the WP index approach to getting at apps, contacts, etc. I like that if I'm browsing a web site during the day, I can bookmark it and pick it up from my laptop in the evening. I'm a fan of One Note and use it across my devices. I also like controlling my XBOX from my phone and easily responding to XBOX messages. IMO WP is a good product and MS as usual fell on their face in the marketing process. When I look across the devices in my household; XBOX, desktop, laptops(x4), tablets(x3) the Surface Phone provides an OS consistency and better fit in to this environment.
modified 11-Sep-18 9:21am.
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Oh yes, it was great not having access to anything  no social because the versions are stuck a couple of years backwards, no apps, no popular services, no integration.
The day I used a high quality Android I felt as if I was stepping out in the third millennium. I won't even discuss the aftermarket support.
My Lumia wasn't a bad phone, at all, it was just completely replaceable with a 2008 flip-phone.
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I have access to everything I need, and it all works fine. But then again, I'm not really all that interested in what other people are eating for lunch, or what the Kardashians are up to, but hey, if that is your thing. More power to you.
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I missed only
* LinkedIn
* Google maps
* ViaMichelin maps
* Highway payments online
* Train timetables and real time information
* Bus timetables and real time informations
* Gmail instead of a buggy client that didn't allow me to send attachments different from an image, cool for not sending out curriculums or documents
* Cinema app
* Half a dozen shop apps that gave me real discounts
* Stocard, so I don't have to keep 20+ fidelity cards in my pockets or choose befoerhand where to go
* CCTV of my house
* Drone control
* TomTom interfacing app
* City app for rapid bureaucracy
* Half a dozen online radio/music players
WP is worthless for me. And social... well I keep in touch with the people that count in my life, who for one reason or another are spread throughout the known world.
But hey, you are better than any of us, keep on going that way.
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Like I said, everybody has their favorite brand/platform. For the things from your list; LinkedIn, Google Maps, Schedules/timetables that I need to use, I use without a problem. Never had any problems with attachments either.
I tried Android for a while, at the time, the features I use just weren't available. That may have changed now that office runs on Android, and I also read where the home screen can be customized for larger tiles or a more WP look and feel.
Are you using a Chromebook for work / home?
I'm not better than anybody. Different people have different needs and like different things. What does it hurt to have a 3rd OS out there and available to users?
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littleGreenDude wrote: I'm not better than anybody. Different people have different needs and like different things. What does it hurt to have a 3rd OS out there and available to users?
Nothing at all - it was the tone you used when I named socials that was very irritating. It may seem strange but not all of those who use social apps use them to follow celebrities - besides, some "celebrities" like John Romero and John Carmack are definitely worth following.
littleGreenDude wrote: Are you using a Chromebook for work / home?
Galaxy S7 as mobile platform and standard PC for work (will be swithcing to a laptop next week due to career change).
littleGreenDude wrote: For the things from your list; LinkedIn, Google Maps, Schedules/timetables that I need to use, I use without a problem. Never had any problems with attachments either.
LinkedIn didn't allow me to edit my profile nor answer to direct messages, Gmail didn't sync, Google maps wasn't even available and Here Maps misjudged my position of 20 km. All the other apps aren't available and IE could manage only very simple webpages.
I never found a phone cover, by the way.
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I still use a Nokia 950XL, but then all I need from apps is a web browser and office suite...
As long as Nadella runs MS it won't happen, so forget about it.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity."
- Hanlon's Razor
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The "browser" was good... the first year. Then it started failing miserably to render any complex webpage. And there are no other proper browsers for that platform.
Add to that the complete lack of apps and it's basically a disconnected phone.
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That's not my experience; the edge browser is just fine for mobile browsing.
Plus maps work and have never directed me into the middle of a lake. And if nothing else: it's a functional phone.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity."
- Hanlon's Razor
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Probably you have W10? I had W8 (not 8.1).
You spoke about a lake... fun fact: according to the phone I was drowning in the Thames, but luckily someone was saving me and pulling me landside. I was right in the middle of Greenwich park...
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Yeah, I've been running W10 since it became available on mobile.
I was specifically talking about an old Apple Maps issue with the lake 
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity."
- Hanlon's Razor
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I'm still using a Nokia Lumia 735, my second WP. The sales guy tried his best to persuade me to get something else a couple of years ago. It was the last one they had and the price was 1/5 what they wanted for others. The only problem I've had was that my bank app for mobile deposits was dropped...now I use an older android tablet for that.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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Are adopted children actually recycled?
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Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Is this how they make baby oil?
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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I used to be a babysitter, but there wasn't much call for squashed babies.
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Brought this[^] to mind!
Everyone has a photographic memory; some just don't have film. Steven Wright
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Foster kids are like library books, you eventually have to return them.
Serious note, we do fostering and the need is great. If you have the space and the heart please consider looking into it. You can start by providing respite care. That's people who will provide a place for a child already in care whose foster parents need to travel out of state. Foster care rules usually do not allow the child to leave the state and they definitely cannot leave the country.
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MarkTJohnson wrote: we do fostering and the need is great.
I do also. 
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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OriginalGriff wrote: recycled
I though that was what you did if the clothes in the dryer are still a little damp.
Socialism is the Axe Body Spray of political ideologies: It never does what it claims to do, but people too young to know better keep buying it anyway. (Glenn Reynolds)
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I just noticed in VS 2017 that if you hover over a closing brace "}" a tooltip will show you the matching starting brace (at least the one the compiler is matching it to.)
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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That's quite handy - I'm almost tempted to switch from 2013, but 2017 does seem to be rather buggy, from what I've seen here.
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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OriginalGriff wrote: does seem to be rather buggy, from what I've seen here.
Luckily for me, I haven't had any problems with VS 2017.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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I felt the same way.
I didn't want change from 2013 to 2015 but then my work forced me to and it didn't actually hurt very much and I didn't notice any bugs except once it crashed for no apparent reason. Only happened once that I remember.
I then didn't want change from 2015 to 2017 but then I got a new, better job and they were already on 2017 so I got used to it - and it didn't actually hurt very much.
There is the very occasional bug where TFS got out of sync with reality (just needs a restart of VS to fix it) but I haven't got it for several weeks now so maybe a recent fix fixed it. no other bugs have been apparent and I finally changed from 2013 to 2017 at home as well - with no pain at all.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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I have run across two bugs with it and both have been fixed. The last one was in 15.8.2 and fixed in the latest update. It wouldn't load the resource file plug-in so I couldn't edit resources visually. The other bug would crash the compiler if a given class' parent did not exist. That was fixed around the 15.6 time frame.
I should point out that I do only native c++ development with it.
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Intellisense is getting so good at anticipating what I need that I feel so ... predictable! So while my productivity has increased, my ego is taking a dive.
History is the joke the living play on the dead.
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