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My choice was simple...
If for some reason I am out of a job for a long time and I need to cut back on everything then what happens when I 'turn off' the word processor? For that matter what happens if I turn off the internet?
I don't want the answer to either of those to be 'oops now what...'.
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As a public service announcement. DO NOT upgrade to this particular version. I don't know what happened at google, until now they were handling it relatively well, but this update will break your projects without a fall back or restore. You have been warned.
They buy shoes, then they wear them! They make them sound old! Dairy! Dairy!
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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thanks 
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Could you please explain this "Break your projects". What happens exactly?
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
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It downloads some libraries, it rewrites some generated project files and then it throws more than 100 error messages dumped in a log. None of which are helpful in any way. I restored my projects from archived zips. Thankfully the studio allows you to skip the "upgrade".
They buy shoes, then they wear them! They make them sound old! Dairy! Dairy!
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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What world do they live in?
It certainly doesn't resemble the one I live in. Funny that, as I use and love Visual Studio and SQL Server and C#/F#/.NET. And yet the fragments I watched, about Azure, AI / MI, even Visual Studio Live Share, it's all stuff I don't care about. And Nadella's keynote address was a "WTF is he going off on?" moment. A repeated moment though -- whenever he talks, I have a "WTF is he talking about" experience.
I feel so disconnected from Redmond. 
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well you know that saying "sell ice to the Eskimo's"
nads is going for one better: sell sh*t to cows.
... see all the dopey smiley git's in attendance whenever he talks, I feel sorry for comparing them to cows; sorry for the cows that is.)
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Marc Clifton wrote: I have a "WTF is he talking about" experience.
They do seem to live in their own little bubble.
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
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Is it "bubble memory" when you can't recall a failed approach? 
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Eric Lynch wrote: Is it "bubble memory" when you can't recall a failed approach?
More like bobble head memory...
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
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Isn't that when you waver back and forth between two inconsistent memories?
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Eric Lynch wrote: Isn't that when you waver back and forth between two inconsistent memories?
LOL, that is standard Microsoft Operations.
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
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Its...Flash...err, WPF...err, Silverlight...err, HTML 5...if only my head would stop wobbling...cue, another beer...yeah, that's better!
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I think you forgot a few dozen in there.
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
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They live in the world of the Fortune 500
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Marc Clifton wrote: I feel so disconnected from Redmond.
The real question is, why do you think this is A Bad Thing?
I've felt disconnected from Redmond for as long as I can remember. I've always "surfed the ebb of the wave" as far as they were concerned. Hell, we still use Visual Studio 2008 as our primary development environment, mainly to avoid the inevitable breakage that comes with upgrading.
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Gary Wheeler wrote: The real question is, why do you think this is A Bad Thing?
It's not that I feel disconnected from Redmond that's bad. It's that Redmond is disconnected from me that's bad. Subtle difference.
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The story I heard is that when Steve Jobs passed away, his personal reality distortion field detached from his body, drifted northward to Redmond, and dissipated into the local water table.
This may help explain their dissociative attitude toward developer reality.
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Gary Wheeler wrote: Hell, we still use Visual Studio 2008 as our primary development environment
And here I thought I was the only one still using VS 2008. Not because of the upgrade headaches, but because the new, flat, and colorless UIs of every version since is extremely hard on these old eyes.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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TNCaver wrote: new, flat, and colorless UIs of every version since is extremely hard on these old eyes
I hear you, brother/sister! I despise the age-ist pricks at Microsoft. It seemed to get started in the group responsible for the Expression UI design toolset. Everything was done in a shade of gray, which rendered the entire app unusable.
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Brother is the correct term in my case.
Now, I don't know any of the folks responsible for the design, so I won't assume it's ageism or call them pricks. It may be that they are simply too young to know that people's vision changes as they age, or think that reading glasses solve those problems, and therefore don't think small icons are an issue.
But I'm pretty certain that they are either deaf to our complaints, or callous to the issue that has been raised since VS 2010, as they haven't changed it much, and won't even offer a way to customize the UI or a theme with different icons.
Or maybe you're right, and they are just ageist pricks.
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TNCaver wrote: It may be that they are simply too young to know that people's vision changes
Usability testing by Microsoft and most other companies is notoriously lacking when it comes to age-related issues:
Visual cues that are obvious to a 20-something can be imperceptible to someone in their 40's due to presbyopia and other age-related visual impairments. Monochrome icons, gray text, and fonts that are too small are the worst offenders here for me.
Auditory signals that can't be heard due to normal loss of frequency range in our hearing as we age. The famous example of this are the phone ringtones that sound in 12-15KHz range that students can hear, but teachers cannot.
Touch screen applications with overly-small targets and sensitivity to small motions make them unusable for older users with arthritis.
The end result is to discourage older users from participating in our evermore-connected society. If you get the feeling this is something that pisses me off, you got it in one.
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Marc Clifton wrote: What world do they live in?
Oh, that's simple:
AzureAzureAzureAzureAzureAzureAzure
I really wonder if they'd still push it if they got the bill for the cloud time on their demos.
TTFN - Kent
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Microsoft is all about Azure these days. Even as a Gold Partner, they still won't talk to you if you don't have some development plan to integrate something into Azure.
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They do have more, covering UWP & other things. May be that should interest you?
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
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