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Basing my comments on previous experience. In reality, the CE kernel is still IoT capable. Instead of buying ThreadX, why not just make CE royalty free?
I do agree with the idea of making it "ultra minimalist"; one problem CE had is they kept stacking crap on top of it (and .NET Compact had some serious flaws. Another problem is they were behind on driver support. The biggest problem is that Microsoft refused to support it in any meaningful way. For non-trivial issues, they'd send you to an overpriced reseller, most of whom were utterly clueless and useless. Then there was the licensing...)
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Well, I have read a few other things about this deal and Microsoft's intentions. It appears they are going to integrate Azure into ThreadX so it will soon be losing that "lightweight" character and minimalism I was hoping for. I can't say that I am surprised.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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https://upperedge.com/oracle/using-java-heres-how-oracles-new-2019-java-se-licensing-affects-you/[^]
After 1.8 Build 201, Java is no longer free for commercial use. Got an app that runs on Java? Your customers will be paying Oracle a MONTHLY licensing fee, per seat, to run your app.
Think about that. At 10,000 seats, that's a $1.50 each (fewer machines is more expensive.) So, $15,000 a month to run an app or $180,000/year.
Oh, and they're stepping up their auditing of Java use.
With .NET now multi-platform, maturing, AND FREE, how does this move make any sense?
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Each time I see development stats, it looks like Java is slipping. Add to that the vast use it currently has, and the inability of most industries to quickly replace an entire software architecture already in place... and Oracle is able to milk it for quite a lot.
Some devs refuse to change and will be a driving force in their company to keep using Java, this money is just overhead if there is a large development group that would have to be retrained/replaced to get off Java.
This will affect Oracle long term (beyond my productive lifetime), but I see it as a huge short term gain.
However, if I was a Java dev, I would be highly upset.
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Yeah, that crossed our minds. Where I'm at, our Java bill is going to be ... rather steep, every year.
Redevelopment costs of the in-house apps are a one-time charge and can start to be recouped in Java license fee savings after an average of five years of development and deployment. Some apps sooner, some a bit later.
We've got some 3rd-party apps that are Java dependent. Those vendors are going to take a large hit. If they haven't started redevelopment... well, we all know how that ends.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, this applies to the newer Java releases or also to the projects that use old runtimes?
Because we know how it will go...
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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I think Version 8 Update 201 is the last free version for commercial use. Update 211 and up now falls under the new licensing scheme.
Developer and personal use is still free.
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Wow. I have a few former customers, one known by a TLA, who are major users of Java for their manufacturing control systems. It's a perfect fit for them because they have about six or seven different platforms they support with essentially the same apps. I doubt they will be updating anytime soon.
It seems that Oracle considers generating additional revenue to be a higher priority than keeping users up to date with the software or even the future of the language. Oh well.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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Yay! The death of Java! ![Jig | [Dance]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/jig.gif)
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Marc Clifton wrote: Yay! The death of Java! [Dance]
But I suppose it won't take javascript with... 
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
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Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Oracle's has a penchant for buying products, charging royalties, offering poor support, and pretty much killing said product. MySQL devs better beware.
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: Your customers will [...]
Forgive me but could it be like this: The "Java-license" is the developer license, not the end user JVM license?
A lot of other languages, e.g. Scala, produce JVM bytecode. And if it was every JVM executable then not a single Android app on the planet would be free. I see no mention of JVM nor Android in the text. I do see "commercial users" though.
I do agree it still kinda sucks, but does not appear to be on an elephanting end-user magnitude.
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Nope. From the Java download page:
Quote: The new Oracle Technology Network License Agreement for Oracle Java SE is substantially different from prior Oracle Java licenses. The new license permits certain uses, such as personal use and development use, at no cost -- but other uses authorized under prior Oracle Java licenses may no longer be available. Please review the terms carefully before downloading and using this product. An FAQ is available here.
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Java SE is AFAIK the development environment. Not the compiled products. And phone apps are for personal use. I don't quite see how the quote disagrees with what I said.
Or did you mean enterprise apps?
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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We are thrilled to announce the release of the .NET Framework 4.8 today. It’s included in the Windows 10 May 2019 Update. .NET Framework 4.8 is also available on Windows 7+ and Windows Server 2008 R2+. Now with... uhm... you know, improvements!
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I'm honestly surprised they would do this, since .Net Core is their new favorite child...
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Quote: The JIT in .NET 4.8 is based on .NET Core 2.1. All bug fixes and many code generation-based performance optimizations from .NET Core 2.1 are now available in the .NET Framework.
I'm a bit puzzled here. With .net core 3 taking on language features that aren't going to be back ported to .net framework this decision seems rather dangerous, if at some point .net core devs pull those features into the JIT the .net framework team will have to take over maintenance of an unfamiliar code base. 
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Daniel Roth and Steve Sanderson of Microsoft's Blazor development team provided an update on the long-awaited, experimental project that boosts .NET development for the Web, stating "the end of the experiment is in sight." There's an icon, so you know they're serious about it
Edit: For those who couldn't wait: ASP.NET Blog | Blazor now in official preview![^]
modified 18-Apr-19 18:46pm.
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Mmm... I updated and.. nothing seems to work anymore! 
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But you did get the icon? 
Did they deprecate something? Looks like they changed version number, maybe that was it?
TTFN - Kent
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Well I exaggerated a bit... And I did get the icon...
But, for me, as of this morning after update to latest preview, razor intellisense seems broken.
Also one of my very useful and utterly simple component seems broken as in, if I declare method or property (i.e. not tag parameter, but method I call) they just don't compile....
It has a public Show() and Hide() methods and I can't call them...
But strangely enough the TabSet class (an example in the tutorial, that does call method in other component) still compiles.. very strange...
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Yea.. mostly working now! 
Except.. intellisense still broken.. for some files!  
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Surprise: Microsoft has made the Windows 10 1903 (May 2019 Update) and Windows Server 1903 bits available for download on MSDN, a month earlier than many were expecting. Please remain calm and wait a while so everyone isn't downloading it all at the same time
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